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[cdoug]

Originally Posted by Welpe

A player is allowed to gain control on the floor and slide to a stop. 4-44-5 and 4.44.5 Situation B.

So do I understand right that if a player who slides and end on their stomach/chest cannot get tot their knees to pass the ball and must stay on their stomach/chest in order to pass it? (Of course, if they "want" to travel they can move other than that.)

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by cdoug

So do I understand right that if a player who slides and end on their stomach/chest cannot get tot their knees to pass the ball and must stay on their stomach/chest in order to pass it? (Of course, if they "want" to travel they can move other than that.)

Does this clarify? - - -
4.44.5 SITUATION B: If flat on his/her
back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is traveling
unless A1 is dribbling.

Seems that rising to one's knees could be considered the equivalent of attempting to get to his/her feet, right?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Does this clarify? - - -
4.44.5 SITUATION B: If flat on his/her
back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is traveling
unless A1 is dribbling.

Seems that rising to one's knees cwould be considered the equivalent of attempting to get to his/her feet, right?

.....yes

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by cdoug

So do I understand right that if a player who slides and end on their stomach/chest cannot get tot their knees to pass the ball and must stay on their stomach/chest in order to pass it? (Of course, if they "want" to travel they can move other than that.)

The way I understand it is a player is allowed to dive for a ball, gain possession and slide as far as his momentum takes him. Once he stops he mustn't change his plane and can dribble, pass, shoot or call TO.

To your question about getting to his knees, that would be a violation. The pivot is the point that is in contact with the floor (when sitting, the rear end). When pivot is changed (to a foot when attempting to stand) a violation has occurred.

I also understand this to be true: A player on the ground violates if he moves so that the plane of his body that is in contact with the floor changes (ie, roll from back to side, roll from front to side, roll from side to back, etc). So no rolling around, basically.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

The way I understand it is a player is allowed to dive for a ball, gain possession and slide as far as his momentum takes him. Once he stops he mustn't change his plane and can dribble, pass, shoot or call request TO.

To your question about getting to his knees, that would be a violation. The pivot is the point that is in contact with the floor (when sitting, the rear end). When pivot is changed (to a foot when attempting to stand) a violation has occurred.

I also understand this to be true: A player on the ground violates if he moves so that the plane of his body that is in contact with the floor changes (ie, roll from back to side, roll from front to side, roll from side to back, etc). So no rolling around, basically.

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by tjones1

thanks, I'll get this through my head someday.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

The way I understand it is a player is allowed to dive for a ball, gain possession and slide as far as his momentum takes him. Once he stops he mustn't change his plane and can dribble, pass, shoot or call TO.

To your question about getting to his knees, that would be a violation. The pivot is the point that is in contact with the floor (when sitting, the rear end). When pivot is changed (to a foot when attempting to stand) a violation has occurred.
I also understand this to be true: A player on the ground violates if he moves so that the plane of his body that is in contact with the floor changes (ie, roll from back to side, roll from front to side, roll from side to back, etc). So no rolling around, basically.

Uhm. Where is this found?

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Uhm. Where is this found?

Nowhere I guess, just trying to help by putting it in less technical terms. Or maybe I'm just lazy.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

Nowhere I guess, just trying to help the newbie by putting it in less technical terms. Or maybe I'm just lazy.

Fair enough.

I think it works fine as a "rule of thumb," but using the term "pivot" can be misleading. It could lead to the impression that an airborne player can catch the ball and then land on his stomach, back, or gluteus maximus as long as he doesn't then change his "pivot." That's not true, as it's a travel.

I had a coach tell me once that his player's cheek became his pivot after I called him for traveling for catching a ball and then landing on his Nevada.

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Fair enough.

I think it works fine as a "rule of thumb," but using the term "pivot" can be misleading. It could lead to the impression that an airborne player can catch the ball and then land on his stomach, back, or gluteus maximus as long as he doesn't then change his "pivot." That's not true, as it's a travel.

I had a coach tell me once that his player's cheek became his pivot after I called him for traveling for catching a ball and then landing on his Nevada.

You make a very good point; misleading indeed.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I had a coach tell me once that his player's cheek became his pivot after I called him for traveling for catching a ball and then landing on his Nevada.

I'll get you, my pretty.