Different Color Uniform Jersey

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

But there's also the case where a jersey gets blood on it and all the team has is a JV jersey, or a (visiting) jersey borrowed from the home team. The direction is to let the player wear the replacement.

Same number? If a different number, technical foul? Please elaborate, and a citation would be nice. We're all getting ready to "listen". Please reply.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by billymac

same number? If a different number, technical foul? Please elaborate, and a citation would be nice. We're all getting ready to "listen". Please reply.

3.2.2e

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

3.2.2e

3.2.2 SITUATION E: Team A properly submits its team member list and designates the five starters as required at least 10 minutes before the scheduled start of the game. Anytime thereafter, either before the game starts or during the game, the coach asks the scorer to change a number in the scorebook: (a) so it corresponds to what the team member is wearing; (b) because a player’s shirt has excessive blood on it; or (c) because a player’s shirt is torn. RULING: In (a), a technical foul is charged to Team A. In (b) and (c), the shirt is changed and the number change made in the scorebook without any penalty.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Did I misunderstand?

A jersey is declared to be legal or not legal because the coaches agree?

This is not a consideration at all.

Some of our fellow posters would beg to differ.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Same number? If a different number, technical foul? Please elaborate, and a citation would be nice. We're all getting ready to "listen". Please reply.

What Bob is refering to here is 3.3.7 Situation A.

[Back In The Saddle]

You ruled the jersey was illegal because it did not match the color/shade of the other jerseys. Yet you ruled that the player may not participate while wearing it. It sounds like you confused 3-4 with 3-5. A player may participate while wearing an illegal jersey at the cost of a single direct technical foul to the head coach (10-5-4). A player may not participate while wearing illegal equipment or apparel.

[stosh]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

You ruled the jersey was illegal because it did not match the color/shade of the other jerseys. Yet you ruled that the player may not participate while wearing it. It sounds like you confused 3-4 with 3-5. A player may participate while wearing an illegal jersey at the cost of a single direct technical foul to the head coach (10-5-4). A player may not participate while wearing illegal equipment or apparel.

So if it's not just a different shade, but a different color, a technical gets them in the game?

I think 3-5.1 gives me enough to not let them participate and avoid a technical. (My guess was that this coach knew the real jersey was on the way, and he was more willing to have his player not start if it got there late than he was to start the game with the other team shooting a technical).

Looking back, it probably would have been best to let her play with the different shade jersey and avoid everything. Live and learn, live and learn.

[Back In The Saddle]

Yeah, there's the two separate issues going on. As long as the difference in color is not somehow confusing, I think you let them play. I have had one game where the JV and soph. jerseys were completely different colors (one red, one silver) from each other, but both sufficiently different from white that it did not cause the players any grief. Just me. I called a foul on a rebound where a kid in red went "over the back" of a kid in silver. I felt silly.

OTOH, the difference 3-4 v. 3-5 is significant. Uniform and apparel are distinct and specific categories. 3-4 regulates the uniform. If the uniform is illegal because it does not conform to 3-4, then 10-5-4 comes into play. 3-5 regulates other stuff, including some stuff normally considered to be articles of clothing, that isn't the uniform. If some piece of gear or apparel does not conform to 3-5, the player simply may not play while wearing it.

It may seem arbitrary, but I think the reason for the different administration is two-fold: First, the school provides the uniform, and so the school's representative (the coach) bears the cost of violation. Gear and apparel is generally provided by the player, and the rules put the responsibility for this on the player. Second, dealing with an illegal uniform is difficult and often time consuming, as you found out. Gear and apparel can normally just be removed right then and there.

[Amesman]

Did I misunderstand?

A jersey is declared to be legal or not legal because the coaches agree?

This is not a consideration at all.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Some of our fellow posters would beg to differ.

Are they the ones who thought it was OK on the Part I test this year if the coaches agreed to convert all their 60-second timeouts into two 30's each it would be OK? Whether or not the coaches agreed is immaterial. Bob's right -- I'm really going out on a limb, I know -- that the different-shade stipulation in case of blood or tear lends guidance as to what to do here. Let 'er play.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by tjones1

What Bob is refering to here is 3.3.7 Situation A.

Thanks:

3.3.7 SITUATION A: B1 is directed to leave the game because of excessive blood on his/her uniform shirt. Team B’s manager has failed to pack any extra shirts. (a) The coach asks one of the substitutes to give his/her shirt to B1; or (b) Team A is able to find a shirt which B1 can wear even though it is not exactly the same color or style of the Team B shirts. The shirt will however, clearly identify B1 as a member of Team B and will not be confusing to either team or the officials. RULING: Acceptable procedure in both (a) and (b). In both situations the scorer will make necessary changes in the scorebook without penalty. COMMENT: The spirit and intent of the rule is to do everything possible to allow the player to use a different shirt and return without penalty. However, identical numbers shall not be allowed on the same team