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Old Mon Dec 07, 2009, 12:11am
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Fouls called at same time against same team in different areas of the floor ... how do you deal with this?
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Old Mon Dec 07, 2009, 12:25am
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false mulitiple foul comes to mind.
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Old Mon Dec 07, 2009, 12:28am
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Fouls called at same time against same team in different areas of the floor ... how do you deal with this?
There is no rule support for handling such a situation.
One foul must be determined to have occurred prior to the other or a paradox is created under the current rules, as the NFHS does not have a procedure for handling simultaneous fouls by the same team which do not occur against a single opponent.
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There is no rule support for handling such a situation.
One foul must be determined to have occurred prior to the other or a paradox is created under the current rules, as the NFHS does not have a procedure for handling simultaneous fouls by the same team which do not occur against a single opponent.
what are your thoughts on a false multiple foul and how it might relate to this sit? at least one of the attributes of a multiple foul is missing. re:against the same opponent
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My answer was to determine which one was first and go with that.
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My answer was to determine which one was first and go with that.
Don't ruin my Questioning of nevada. i was wondering what his thoughts were. Now I will never know.
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what are your thoughts on a false multiple foul and how it might relate to this sit? at least one of the attributes of a multiple foul is missing. re:against the same opponent
Do you think that this is the first time that someone has posed this question? Do you think that I have never given any thought to this situation before?

I recall there being a previous thread on this situation on this forum. One of the questions that I posed in trying to help us determine how to properly handle it was to consider what to do if Team B had five team fouls when B1 fouled A1 and at the exact same time B3 fouled A3. Now penalizing both fouls would result in there being seven team fouls against B, so which player from Team A gets awarded the 1-and-1?

As I've previously written the NFHS offers no solution.
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Another rule 2-3 candidate.

Two possible solutions I can see.

Declare that one foul happened first and penalize that one.

Declare it a double foul with an * beside it and proceed from POI.
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Old Mon Dec 07, 2009, 02:59am
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Another rule 2-3 candidate.

Two possible solutions I can see.

Declare that one foul happened first and penalize that one.

Declare it a double foul with an * beside it and proceed from POI.
A double foul is not a candidate solution. That is precisely defined in the NFHS rules as a foul by each team, not two fouls by the same team.
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A double foul is not a candidate solution. That is precisely defined in the NFHS rules as a foul by each team, not two fouls by the same team.
Misread the OP.

Call it a multiple foul with an * beside it. Award free throws if in bonus.
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Old Mon Dec 07, 2009, 03:08am
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...consider what to do if Team B had five team fouls when B1 fouled A1 and at the exact same time B3 fouled A3. Now penalizing both fouls would result in there being seven team fouls against B, so which player from Team A gets awarded the 1-and-1?

As I've previously written the NFHS offers no solution.
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Misread the OP.

Call it a multiple foul with an * beside it. Award free throws if in bonus.
Award FTs to A1 or A3?
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Old Mon Dec 07, 2009, 03:19am
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Award FTs to A1 or A3?
Both

who first?

flip my little mental coin.........usually reserved for out of bounds plays
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Old Mon Dec 07, 2009, 04:23am
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Both

who first?

flip my little mental coin.........usually reserved for out of bounds plays
You'd award 1-and-1 FTs on the SIXTH team foul? Yikes!
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Old Mon Dec 07, 2009, 09:32am
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Both

who first?

flip my little mental coin.........usually reserved for out of bounds plays
A1 shoots the first and if he makes it A3 shoots the bonus.
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Misread the OP.

Call it a multiple foul with an * beside it. Award free throws if in bonus.
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You'd award 1-and-1 FTs on the SIXTH team foul? Yikes!

You think the sixth foul puts you in the bonus?? Yikes!
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