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Johnny Ringo Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:11am
fouls at same time
 
Fouls called at same time against same team in different areas of the floor ... how do you deal with this?

AKOFL Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:25am
false mulitiple foul comes to mind.

Nevadaref Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:28am
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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 640201)
Fouls called at same time against same team in different areas of the floor ... how do you deal with this?
There is no rule support for handling such a situation.
One foul must be determined to have occurred prior to the other or a paradox is created under the current rules, as the NFHS does not have a procedure for handling simultaneous fouls by the same team which do not occur against a single opponent.

AKOFL Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:35am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 640205)
There is no rule support for handling such a situation.
One foul must be determined to have occurred prior to the other or a paradox is created under the current rules, as the NFHS does not have a procedure for handling simultaneous fouls by the same team which do not occur against a single opponent.
what are your thoughts on a false multiple foul and how it might relate to this sit? at least one of the attributes of a multiple foul is missing. re:against the same opponent

Johnny Ringo Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:44am
My answer was to determine which one was first and go with that.

AKOFL Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:51am
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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 640209)
My answer was to determine which one was first and go with that.
Don't ruin my Questioning of nevada. i was wondering what his thoughts were. Now I will never know.:D

Nevadaref Mon Dec 07, 2009 02:46am
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Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 640207)
what are your thoughts on a false multiple foul and how it might relate to this sit? at least one of the attributes of a multiple foul is missing. re:against the same opponent
Do you think that this is the first time that someone has posed this question? Do you think that I have never given any thought to this situation before?

I recall there being a previous thread on this situation on this forum. One of the questions that I posed in trying to help us determine how to properly handle it was to consider what to do if Team B had five team fouls when B1 fouled A1 and at the exact same time B3 fouled A3. Now penalizing both fouls would result in there being seven team fouls against B, so which player from Team A gets awarded the 1-and-1?

As I've previously written the NFHS offers no solution.

just another ref Mon Dec 07, 2009 02:54am
Another rule 2-3 candidate.

Two possible solutions I can see.

Declare that one foul happened first and penalize that one.

Declare it a double foul with an * beside it and proceed from POI.

Nevadaref Mon Dec 07, 2009 02:59am
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 640239)
Another rule 2-3 candidate.

Two possible solutions I can see.

Declare that one foul happened first and penalize that one.

Declare it a double foul with an * beside it and proceed from POI.
A double foul is not a candidate solution. That is precisely defined in the NFHS rules as a foul by each team, not two fouls by the same team.

just another ref Mon Dec 07, 2009 03:06am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 640241)
A double foul is not a candidate solution. That is precisely defined in the NFHS rules as a foul by each team, not two fouls by the same team.
Misread the OP.

Call it a multiple foul with an * beside it. Award free throws if in bonus.

Nevadaref Mon Dec 07, 2009 03:08am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 640237)
...consider what to do if Team B had five team fouls when B1 fouled A1 and at the exact same time B3 fouled A3. Now penalizing both fouls would result in there being seven team fouls against B, so which player from Team A gets awarded the 1-and-1?

As I've previously written the NFHS offers no solution.
Quote:
Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 640243)
Misread the OP.

Call it a multiple foul with an * beside it. Award free throws if in bonus.
Award FTs to A1 or A3? ;)

just another ref Mon Dec 07, 2009 03:19am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 640245)
Award FTs to A1 or A3? ;)
Both

who first?

flip my little mental coin.........usually reserved for out of bounds plays

Nevadaref Mon Dec 07, 2009 04:23am
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 640247)
Both

who first?

flip my little mental coin.........usually reserved for out of bounds plays
You'd award 1-and-1 FTs on the SIXTH team foul? Yikes! :eek:

bob jenkins Mon Dec 07, 2009 09:32am
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 640247)
Both

who first?

flip my little mental coin.........usually reserved for out of bounds plays
A1 shoots the first and if he makes it A3 shoots the bonus. ;)

just another ref Mon Dec 07, 2009 09:40am
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 640243)
Misread the OP.

Call it a multiple foul with an * beside it. Award free throws if in bonus.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 640250)
You'd award 1-and-1 FTs on the SIXTH team foul? Yikes! :eek:

You think the sixth foul puts you in the bonus?? Yikes! :rolleyes:


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