Traveling?

[actuary77]

A1 is dribbling, slips but continues his dribble. His knees are now touching the floor. Is it a travel as soon as he stops the dribble? Or would this be similar to the rules when there is a scramble for the ball?

[jdw3018]

A player can't move beyond prescribed limits when holding the ball. The player was dribbling when his knees went to the floor, obviously this isn't traveling because he's dribbling. He then stops the dribble with both knees on the floor.

Has he moved beyond prescribed limits when holding the ball?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by actuary77

A1 is dribbling, slips but continues his dribble. His knees are now touching the floor.

The infamous knee on the floor traveling rule is one of the most misunderstood rules in basketball. To start a dribble, the ball must be released before the pivot knee is lifted. On a pass or a shot, the pivot knee may be lifted, but may not return to the floor before the ball is released. A player in this situation may also pass, shoot, or request a timeout.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

A player in this situation may also.....request a timeout.

And, if proper, we will grant a timeout. Boy - I love this new terminology! (referencing another thread on "calling" a timeout)

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

On a pass or a shot, the pivot knee may be lifted, but may not return to the floor before the ball is released.

Disagree. As soon as the "pivot knee" (sic) is lifted, the player has attempted to stand. Violation.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by actuary77

A1 is dribbling, slips but continues his dribble. His knees are now touching the floor. Is it a travel as soon as he stops the dribble? Or would this be similar to the rules when there is a scramble for the ball?

At the end of the rule book is a list of "Basketball Rules Fundamentals." Read them, as they are very helpful.

Fundamental #6 states: "It is not possible for a player to travel during a dribble."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The infamous knee on the floor traveling rule is one of the most misunderstood rules in basketball. To start a dribble, the ball must be released before the pivot knee is lifted. On a pass or a shot, the pivot knee may be lifted, but may not return to the floor before the ball is released. A player in this situation may also pass, shoot, or request a timeout.

Show me. Show me where a "pivot knee" is described, mentioned, referenced, or defined in the rule book. It sounds suspiciously like the "pivot cheek" a coach tried to tell me about when his player landed on his cushion holding the ball.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Disagree. As soon as the "pivot knee" (sic) is lifted, the player has attempted to stand. Violation.

This is also how I have been taught - and how I referee it.

[actuary77]

I apologize if I misunderstood your replies.

I was not asking whether A1 traveled when he slipped but continued the dribble. I clearly understand that no travel can happen when he is dribbling. My question was more on "did he travel when he stopped his dribble and was now kneeling/seated on the floor (assuming that he doesn't stand up while holding the ball)?"

[Adam]

Originally Posted by actuary77

I apologize if I misunderstood your replies.

I was not asking whether A1 traveled when he slipped but continued the dribble. I clearly understand that no travel can happen when he is dribbling. My question was more on "did he travel when he stopped his dribble and was now kneeling/seated on the floor (assuming that he doesn't stand up while holding the ball)?"

Doh! My mistake, I didn't read it carefully enough. The answer is no, it's not a travel unless he stands or attempts to stand.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Show me where a "pivot knee" is described, mentioned, referenced, or defined in the rule book. It sounds suspiciously like the "pivot cheek" a coach tried to tell me about when his player landed on his cushion holding the ball.

Actually, the "Curly Neal Pivot Knee Rule" is in the same section of the NFHS Rulebook as the "Turn The Other Cheek, Not The Pivot Cheek Rule". You can look it up.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The infamous knee on the floor traveling rule is one of the most misunderstood rules in basketball. To start a dribble, the ball must be released before the pivot knee is lifted. On a pass or a shot, the pivot knee may be lifted, but may not return to the floor before the ball is released. A player in this situation may also pass, shoot, or request a timeout.

And offer a quick prayer for victory.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Doh! My mistake, I didn't read it carefully enough. The answer is no, it's not a travel unless he stands or attempts to stand.

Exactly. What he does while he's dribbling cannot be a travel. However, once he terminates his dribble, then the travel restrictions begin and any subsequent violation would be a travel.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Disagree. As soon as the "pivot knee" (sic) is lifted, the player has attempted to stand. Violation.

What if he is merely lifting his knee to turn and clearly not attempting to stand?

Rather than officiate by all of these cutesy rules of thumb that people create, I'd prefer to only penalize a player when he actually does something illegal.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

What if he is merely lifting his knee to turn and clearly not attempting to stand?

Impossible, as I understand the application of the rule. Lifting the knee is "attempting to get up."

Rather than officiate by all of these cutesy rules of thumb that people create, I'd prefer to only penalize a player when he actually does something illegal.

I agree with this, but don't understand what it has to do with this thread.