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Originally Posted by fullor30

Regarding your situation, not sure I'm following the sequence of events on your T. You went tableside and reported it, did he ask why he was T'd at that point? I think he's entitled to know why the T.

I went across from the table. This happened several years ago and I'm not sure if I was just getting away from him or I was doing what that association asked us to. When I called the T, the coach was acting like an idiot - no explanation necessary IMO. Also, this was the second half and my partner was standing directly in front of the coach. Why does this matter? It matters because we were on the far end from the coach and my partner shouldn't have been right in front of him.

Oh, two more things on this guy. 1. He was on Georgetown's teams when the program was near the top and I loved those teams. 2. I had him during a summer league game the following summer. He came in with his team, but he left before them. I was consistent with my feelings concerning his behavior.

Originally Posted by fullor30

Personally, I'd give a short, possibly one word reason for T. "you were warned" "Disrespect Coach", "Coach you used profanity" and the like. I answered his direct question and we move on.

And if his actions were still unacceptable, I would inform him as such. I may choose not to be tableside in this case to get away from him and we pregame that.

I don't give a coach a T unless it is obvious to everyone in the facility or the coach says something that crosses my line - like a racial comment (this happened before). That being the case, the coaches I T generally know why they got it. Most of the time the coach doesn't really want the answer anyway. Remember, all this is from my experience.

On the flip side, last night the coach asked me why I gave one of his players a T and I answered him right away. This coach was also working his A$$ off to get his players to run his stuff and not messing with us.

Originally Posted by fullor30

I don't have a problem with said coach talking with my partner within the framework of the game. Hopefully it can diffuse the situation. And if it doesn't, I want another member of the crew to whack him. Again, all pregamed

Think about this for a second and please don't get defensive. If your favorite "Big Dog" super duper NCAA official told you, "If one of us gives a coach a T, the other officials should not engage the coach until the calling official does" would you listen and make that a part of your game? If your answer is no, then you may not listen to anyone. If your answer is yes, then you just heard it - second hand - from a big time tournament official.

If we are working together and I give the coach a T, what could you say to the coach at this point? To make matters worse, many officials would be right next to the coach allowing the coach to say God knows what in a low voice. Physical distance means the coach will have to talk to the other official in a voice loud enough where what he/she says can be heard by others.

I think we have to ask ourselves what talking to an adult is going to do once our partner has deemed his/her actions worthy of a T. If talking resolves the conflict, why didn't it work the first time before the T?

I know this reply is long, but stay with me please.

If I T a coach and the coach is coming after me, why shouldn't I T him up again as long as both are warranted? If the coach is acting like an idiot in general, if I T him up one of my partners can come in and give the second one. But, if I wait a bit and try to give him/her a chance to calm down, a second (earned) T shouldn't be a problem. YMMV, but if I gave a coach two I'm confident my reasoning would be solid.

Many years ago I was doing a high school game in Maryland with two of my good friends. A coach was all over one of my partners from the start of the game. My partner gave him a T and the coach continued to be all over him, it actually got worse. This coach literally gets so upset that he foams at the mouth! Anyway, my other partner started to move in for the second T and I almost physically stopped him. He immediately understood what I was doing and the official who gave the first gave the second. We didn't hear nothing about this from anyone because this coach made is personal towards an official and that official was a big boy all day long. Like I said, YMMV.