Thoughts

[jeffpea]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This year NCAA rules committee wants whistles on crashes in the paint. Somebody needs to come get it.

You are correct. That somebody needs to be the lead. I am not coming to get that if I am Trail....if I'm Center and the block/charge is on my side of the lane, I'll probably get it.

I'll stay in my area and trust that you can officiate your area. Your messes are yours to deal with and clean up. If you prove to me over the course of the game that you cannot handle it, then I'll come in and assert myself when needed (only in the last few minutes of a game).

However, I'll wack a coach or player from anywhere on the floor if you can't handle them after you've blown a play.....

[Clark Kent]

I agree with the breakdown, and with the logic that there needs to be a whistle on a play with players going to the floor....hence the reasoning in my head that I came in with a late whistle, then yielded to her when I heard her whistle blow because of what we pre-gamed.

Thanks for the advice. I'll remember it all for the next pregame!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

You are correct. That somebody needs to be the lead. I am not coming to get that if I am Trail....if I'm Center and the block/charge is on my side of the lane, I'll probably get it.

I'll stay in my area and trust that you can officiate your area. Your messes are yours to deal with and clean up. If you prove to me over the course of the game that you cannot handle it, then I'll come in and assert myself when needed (only in the last few minutes of a game).

However, I'll wack a coach or player from anywhere on the floor if you can't handle them after you've blown a play.....

I'm doing what my supervisors want done or what was pre-gamed with the crew. I'm not going to live by any hard and fast rule that I'm not coming to get it from the trail.

And personally I would rather my partner come from the trail to get a crash I missed in front of me than for a partner to butt his nose into my deallings with a coach.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

You are correct. That somebody needs to be the lead. I am not coming to get that if I am Trail....if I'm Center and the block/charge is on my side of the lane, I'll probably get it.

I'll stay in my area and trust that you can officiate your area. Your messes are yours to deal with and clean up. If you prove to me over the course of the game that you cannot handle it, then I'll come in and assert myself when needed (only in the last few minutes of a game).

However, I'll wack a coach or player from anywhere on the floor if you can't handle them after you've blown a play.....

So your partner misses a call badly. Probably realizes it and is letting the coach vent a little and you are going to come across the court to make it worse? This doesn't seem like great game management to me. If you want to steal a call, seems like you should steal the first one.
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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by youngump

So your partner misses a call badly. Probably realizes it and is letting the coach vent a little and you are going to come across the court to make it worse? This doesn't seem like great game management to me. If you want to steal a call, seems like you should steal the first one.

Do not confuse good game management with allowing a coach to act and behave anyway they like. If a coach is acting goofy, anyone can take action. Of course you might give your partner an opportunity to handle the situation, but that is not written in stone as you are suggesting.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

You are correct. That somebody needs to be the lead. I am not coming to get that if I am Trail....if I'm Center and the block/charge is on my side of the lane, I'll probably get it.

I'll stay in my area and trust that you can officiate your area. Your messes are yours to deal with and clean up. If you prove to me over the course of the game that you cannot handle it, then I'll come in and assert myself when needed (only in the last few minutes of a game).

However, I'll wack a coach or player from anywhere on the floor if you can't handle them after you've blown a play.....

So the drive starts in YOUR area and goes straight to the basket, there is a big crash, and you are going to stand there and look at the L and wait for him/her to make the call??? If I'm your evaluator at that game, and this play happens and there is no whistle on it - you are going down with the L. You sure as heck better be willing to step in and take this call if it doesn't come from the L.

And whacking a coach just to prove you can is not showing how good an official someone is. Getting the whistles on plays like this so that the coach doesn't go sideways on us is a much better indicator of how good someone is.

[zeedonk]

Here in South Jersey, in a 3 man game, we are giving L first crack at the block/charge in the paint. The pass/crash is a different animal as noted above. For our HS games, if I am T, I am trying very hard to look somewhere else on b/c in the paint (or in the Leads PCA if I am T). If I am C, I am trying to make sure I give L first crack and if I hear nothing, I'm coming in for it if I think I need to (on my side of the lane).

There is much discussion about letting partners live and die with calls or coming in to get them, but I'm not sure I've decided which way to go yet- I am leaning towards the former at this point, since I am still early in my career and don't want to be reaching from the T- especially since it has been drilled into my head not to reach from the T into the paint... I suppose I'll see how things go in my first few 3 whistle games and keep talking to my partners and observers about it.

Regarding the theory about observers/assignors/others of influence in the stands and not making a call with bodies on the floor bringing us all down, it seems to me that if I am taught correctly, I am not reaching in from the T to grab anything in the paint, because that's not my PCA and it just looks awful if I do. If I get some stuff from somebody not on the floor about me not grabbing a b/c in the paint from the T, I am not gonna be happy about it. Of course, if it's my assignor, I will listen and adjust, even though I've been taught differently.

Bottm line to me is, that there is a lot of uncertainty on 2 points 1- taking b/c outside your PCA and 2- do we do it because there are bodies on the floor and no whistle or do we stay in our PCA and let the partner live and die with call/no call.... I guess that's why the assignors and supervisors are paid the big bucks- to work this stuff out.

Brings me to another point, but I'll try a new thread so I don't hijack....

Z

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by zeedonk

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Bottm line to me is, that there is a lot of uncertainty on 2 points 1- taking b/c outside your PCA and 2- do we do it because there are bodies on the floor and no whistle or do we stay in our PCA and let the partner live and die with call/no call.... I guess that's why the assignors and supervisors are paid the big bucks- to work this stuff out...

Z

Do what your board/supervisor/assignor tells you to do. But in NCAA John Adams has specifically said that the NCAA rules committee wants whistles on crashes at the basket. Now what individual conference supervisors are telling their officials or crew chiefs are telling their crews I can't speak on.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

I'll stay in my area and trust that you can officiate your area.

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