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Taking this a step farther...
If the adjacent players are "arm wrestling" and there is contact...is it a foul or a violation?
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Depends on who wins? and are we playing Alabama rules or Russian Submission?
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![]() So, the next time it happened and they were wrangling - partner calls a double foul. Amazingly both coaches smiled and one thanked him. Said he's tried talking to them till his tongue swelled up but they won't listen. Went to AP. Didn't have a problem like that the rest of the game.
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Or maybe the shooter had already shot the ball. (Team control ends on any shot attempt, no?)
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I was a little surprised by the timing of the whistle - but we came together and he explained what his whistle was for ..... I told him the ball had left the shooter's hand and that's why we went AP.
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I'm just not sure a double foul at this poijnt really addresses the "hand fighting" before the try is released -- but it apparently worked in your case. |
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That's why I was surprised with the timing of the whistle. I guess I would have expected that it would come earlier, and perhaps then, the foul if called would be on the player who originally initiated the contact and not a double foul. My thinking was, and we discussed this post game, that you call it early as they are jousting for the hand position prior to the shot, or not at all.
In any case, he blew the whistle, made the call and we had to sort out how to put ball back into play. After the game and our discussion we felt we got it right under the circumstances - but agreed that this sit. won't likely happen again in this manner. We thought we were lucky that this took care of the situation that night - BUT - it could have led to more problems, fouls, double fouls etc just as easily. To be consistent - if we called it early - we would have to call the same thing throughout the game and we all know there is this type of "gamesmanship" that occurs at nearly every game. In my experience - expecially girl's games. ![]()
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When I coached - I always told my girl's to keep their hands low, step in towards defender and up lane and box out. Then when ball came off basket or board to explode upwards, using hands for power and secure the ball in the air. No pattycake or slap and tickle!
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So if the thrower still had the ball when the contact which your partner deemed to be worthy of a double foul occurred, then the POI should have been that FT attempt. It would be readministered. |
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So is a free throw really a try? And does the "try in flight" provision apply?
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