College question

[CLH]

Those are good questions regarding the cancellation of the first free throw guys. I could be wrong, but my take is that a violation by the shooting team would have cancelled that first free throw, then surely a foul must do the same. Kinda vague on this ruling huh?

[Nagy0716]

i think that it is a contact technical foul..no shots awarded for team A and 2 shots for B and then poi..?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nagy0716

i think that it is a contact technical foul..no shots awarded for team A and 2 shots for B and then poi..?

Why do you think it was a contact technical foul?

[CLH]

Originally Posted by Nagy0716

i think that it is a contact technical foul..no shots awarded for team A and 2 shots for B and then poi..?

1) There are no technicals for contact except during a deadball. Check your foul summary in the back of the book.

2) The question states that "A2 fouls B1" that means you have a common foul. If you take this as a technical foul then you are changing the question. Don't read more into it than there is.

*This is a liveball situation, therefore it is just a common team control foul, cannot be a technical foul.

[APG]

Originally Posted by CLH

Those are good questions regarding the cancellation of the first free throw guys. I could be wrong, but my take is that a violation by the shooting team would have cancelled that first free throw, then surely a foul must do the same. Kinda vague on this ruling huh?

On a violation by Team A, we cancel the free throw since that's the specific penalty spelled out by 9-2-1. You won't find anywhere that a foul committed during a free throw cancels any merited free throws.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by CLH

Those are good questions regarding the cancellation of the first free throw guys. I could be wrong, but my take is that a violation by the shooting team would have canceled that first free throw, then surely a foul must do the same. Kinda vague on this ruling huh?

Why would you think that the penalty for one type of infraction has to be the same as another?

If the defense violates during the FT, the shooter gets a new shot if they miss. However, if the defense fouls during the FT, that doesn't cause the shooter to get a new shot unless the defense independently violates.

[CLH]

4.30.3d- A free throw ends when: The ball becomes dead

Ball becomes dead when A1 committed the foul.

Thus, the free throw has ended.


*I always find it interesting how many different ways we can all interpret ONE rule. LOL

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by CLH

4.30.3d- A free throw ends when: The ball becomes dead

Ball becomes dead when A1 committed the foul.

Thus, the free throw has ended.


*I always find it interesting how many different ways we can all interpret ONE rule. LOL

As someone pointed out earlier, granting a Time Out to the shooting team would also make the ball dead. Would the free throw end then also?

Violations and fouls don't carry the same consequences. A violation by the throw-in team on a AP throw in would cause the arrow to change, a foul by the throw-in team would not.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by CLH

4.30.3d- A free throw ends when: The ball becomes dead

Ball becomes dead when A1 committed the foul.

Thus, the free throw has ended.


*I always find it interesting how many different ways we can all interpret ONE rule. LOL

Not really. It is interesting how some people can completely misinterpret and/or misapply a rule in a vacuum.

The free throw may have ended, but it can end in many ways.

The FT can also end and the ball become dead if B4 fouls A4 (A's worst FT shooter) before A1 (A's best FT shooter) is in the act of shooting. Do you really think B could, by committing another foul, kill A1's shot(s) and force A4 to the line instead? Of course not.

The FT ending has no effect on the subsquent awarding of a FT. If the FT has not been taken (released), it has not been taken. A only loses the right to the FT by violation the FT itself....not by an unrelated infraction.

[CLH]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not really. It is interesting how some people can completely misinterpret and/or misapply a rule in a vacuum.

The free throw may have ended, but it can end in many ways.

The FT can also end and the ball become dead if B4 fouls A4 (A's worst FT shooter) before A1 (A's best FT shooter) is in the act of shooting. Do you really think B could, by committing another foul, kill A1's shot(s) and force A4 to the line instead? Of course not.

The FT ending has no effect on the subsquent awarding of a FT. If the FT has not been taken (released), it has not been taken. A only loses the right to the FT by violation the FT itself....not by an unrelated infraction.

Good point, give him his free throws