Video: end of game

[JugglingReferee]

Non-shooting foul.

But could the 2 shots been for the automatic bonus situation?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tomegun

This is the video from the end of the Nevada 4A girl's championship.

1. Notice the C's position when the ball hits him.
2. Was the girl in the act of shooting when the foul was called?
3. Why was there such a long conversation and what could the C have added?

1. That happens. Not often but it happens.

2. No, not at all.

3. I think time might have been the discussion. That is the only thing I can come up with.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Could it be that the T came in and had the extended discussion because she thought it was a PC foul on the shooter?? I don't have sound on my computer at work, so I can't tell if it was a double whistle or not, but I can see that as a possibility here.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Could it be that the T came in and had the extended discussion because she thought it was a PC foul on the shooter?? I don't have sound on my computer at work, so I can't tell if it was a double whistle or not, but I can see that as a possibility here.

Chalk it up to having too much time on my hands. I went back and had a closer look at when the camera panned to the scoreboard. You can briefly, but clearly see that the scoreboard shows 5 seconds on the clock, then it changes to .5 seconds. My money is on the discussion being about the proper time on the clock. That would account for the C coming across to talk. That would also account for the L going all the way to the table, and for the Gorman coach's interest.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Chalk it up to having too much time on my hands. I went back and had a closer look at when the camera panned to the scoreboard. You can briefly, but clearly see that the scoreboard shows 5 seconds on the clock, then it changes to .5 seconds. My money is on the discussion being about the proper time on the clock. That would account for the C coming across to talk. That would also account for the L going all the way to the table, and for the Gorman coach's interest.

Good catch on the time issue. I hadn't noticed that and it does explain a lot of the conferencing.

LDUB, I think that guy is a gal

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

Good catch on the time issue.

Thanks. See post #12

[fullor30]

Reviewing again, and I don't see any state patches at all unless I missed them.

Lead calls foul, fails to indicate what it was( we learn later a block) nor does indicate spot. Also fails to wave off basket initially. Could have trail made a call off camera? Hard to tell, although she doesn't come in to sell call if one was made, just points to I'm guessing the defender

The nonchalant walk to the table by lead I feel is a product of deer in headlights malaise. He looks dazed and confused.

Also catch where lead stands for first shot.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Reviewing again, and I don't see any state patches at all unless I missed them.

Lead calls foul, fails to indicate what it was( we learn later a block) nor does indicate spot. Also fails to wave off basket initially. Could have trail made a call off camera? Hard to tell, although she doesn't come in to sell call if one was made, just points to I'm guessing the defender

The nonchalant walk to the table by lead I feel is a product of deer in headlights malaise. He looks dazed and confused.

Also catch where lead stands for first shot.

Wow...being a bit picky...

Not all states use patches. Perhaps that is the case in this video. I wish they'd eliminate them here.

He did waive it off, right after he blew the whistle....one armed...but still a waive off.

Trail came in and identified the shooter...as in "I've got your shooter".

The walk to the table could be just a sign of calmness and in control. Using his calmness to settle those around him.

[Scratch85]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The walk to the table could be just a sign of calmness and in control. Using his calmness to settle those around him.

One of my thoughts: His walk to the table most likely included several thoughts. First being, the timing issue. The C ran in in and had something to offer. As pointed out by Indianaref and someone else , the time was an issue and possibly the horn sounded after the call, idk. In addition, the offending player had 5 fouls. As all tables seem to do, the signals were coming and the L was trying to get his reporting correct while being given info for which he wasn't yet ready. I think he was pretty sure that he was gong to have to address the table.

I am also thinkning the C was the R. If not, he sure involved himself in a lot of "stuff" that couold have been handled without him.

All things being said, and 2 days of picking it apart, these officials got the calls right and looked right (to the general public) doing it. After all, it was a State Final and a crazy finish. I get nervous doing a big Conference game.

One more thought, the C, if he was the R, may have made the incorrect switch so he could stay close to the table (knowing all the issues and being the one with definite knowledge of time remaining) so he could easily help at the table (as he does) when needed. Not that the FED gives us that option.

My point: they got it right and we officials were able to learn a few things from the process. Great post tomegun!

[riverfalls57]

According to the scoreboard both teams are in the bonus.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by riverfalls57

According to the scoreboard both teams are in the bonus.

That's why the T was ID the shooter.

[VTOfficial]

On another side note, how many of you have ever or would force your way into the team huddle and herd the team back onto the floor as the new L did before administering the free throws?

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by VTOfficial

On another side note, how many of you have ever or would force your way into the team huddle and herd the team back onto the floor as the new L did before administering the free throws?

I noticed that too. I think the female official in this crew was the strongest but this is one thing she needs to stop doing immediately. I understand she was probably saying "It's not a timeout, let's get on the floor" but you can't be forcing your way in and pushing players. A step near the huddle and some firm words will do the trick.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by VTOfficial

On another side note, how many of you have ever or would force your way into the team huddle and herd the team back onto the floor as the new L did before administering the free throws?

That jumped out at me also. I can imagine grabbing a girls shoulder and shoving her away.

They may have all known what they were doing but sure looked sloppy, not to mention it being a championship game.

Nevada, is the the best of best out West

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by VTOfficial

On another side note, how many of you have ever or would force your way into the team huddle and herd the team back onto the floor as the new L did before administering the free throws?

I went back and reviewed this, this looks really bad. Two other observations:
1) Reporting official is walking in his foul signals. In Indiana, they definitely want you to come to a complete stop.
2) The old T opposite should have become the new C opposite.