Block/Charge/No Call

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MOofficial

Then why are we calling it a block if a defender is under the basket?

Because "under the basket" is now defined in NCAAM as not a spot the defender can get to legally first. It's just like having a foot OOB while "taking a charge." It doesn't change the rules on the rest of the floor.

[Back In The Saddle]

Setting aside MO's apparent misrepresentation of what was actually said...

The difference between a defender under the basket, and one away from the basket but with his back turned, is fundamental. Or definitional, to invent a word.

"Guarding is the act of legally placing the body in the path of an offensive opponent."

Under the basket, you're not in your opponent's path. He's going to the basket. You are not preventing him from going there.

Out front, however, the mere act of being between your opponent and where he wants to go disrupts his ability to get there. You are in his path. That you could defend more effectively if you were facing your opponent does not change that.

[jdmara]

Am I being over simplified to just think of this situation as, "who initiated the contact?" To me (and correct me if I'm wrong) this situation equates to the following situation:

A1 is holding the ball outside the three point line. A1 fakes a shot attempt and B1 jumps to block the apparent try. Realizing B1 is up in the air, A1 jumps into the airborne B1 in an attempt to "draw a foul". (Clarification: If B1 were allowed to land, no contact would have been made.)

In this situation I am going to judge who initiated contact. If A1 goes out of his way (not his natural shooting motion) to initiate contact, I am not going to reward him.

Tying it back to the OP, I am not going to reward the offense for initiating contact on an opponent.

Again, let me know if I'm off my rocker here.

-Josh

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by jdmara

Again, let me know if I'm off my rocker here.

No, you are indeed firmly on your rocker.

Rock on!

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

No, you are indeed firmly on your rocker.

Rock on!

It wouldn't be the first time I was wrong today. (Reference: Iowa Girls Experimentation with two halves) Sometimes I need a reality check

-Josh

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Because "under the basket" is now defined in NCAAM as not a spot the defender can get to legally first. It's just like having a foot OOB while "taking a charge." It doesn't change the rules on the rest of the floor.

...noting that the above only applies to secondary defenders, not primary defenders...and that the OOB foot issue only applies to LGP situations...

Neither rule gives the offensive team carte blanche to bowl over an opponent just because they are under the basket (they must be a secondary defender) or because they're OOB (the foul must depend on LGP..which the OOB player doesn't have).