Free Throw Fake

[bas2456]

I was shooting free throws today at the gym and came across a situation...

As I was starting my shooting motion, the ball sort of slipped out of my hands, so I stopped myself and started again.

Would you call this a fake during a game? There is a situation in the casebook (9.1.2), but how does an official tell what's a fake and what isn't?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bas2456

I was shooting free throws today at the gym and came across a situation...

As I was starting my shooting motion, the ball sort of slipped out of my hands, so I stopped myself and started again.

Would you call this a fake during a game? There is a situation in the casebook (9.1.2), but how does an official tell what's a fake and what isn't?

It's less relevant now that the players on the lane can't enter until the ball hits the rim or backboard, so it would have to be one hel1 of an obvious fake before I'd even think about whistling the violation.

[SAK]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's less relevant now that the players on the lane can't enter until the ball hits the rim or backboard, so it would have to be one hel1 of an obvious fake before I'd even think about whistling the violation.

So what would you do? Blow the whistle and give the ball back to the shooter or call it a violation because the shot didn't hit the rim?

[grunewar]

Here is a Case Book Example on Faking a Shot and Another on the Free Thrower Losing the Ball.

FAKING

9.1.3 SITUATION A: A1, at the free throw line to attempt a final free throw, fakes the release of the ball. RULING: A violation by A1, Team B will be awarded a throw-in at the nearest spot. COMMENT: The faking of a free throw try is a violation. However, if A1 does not feel comfortable after starting his/her motion and stops to adjust, the players in the lane spaces are expected to hold their positions. (9-1-3b)

FREE-THROWER LOSES BALL

*9.1.1 SITUATION: A1, at the free-throw line to attempt a free throw: (a) muffs the pass from the official and it rolls forward; or (b) while performing his/her habitual dribbles prior to the release, accidentally allows the ball to deflect off his/her foot into the lane. RULING: In (a), the official should sound the whistle to prevent any violations and then start the free throw procedure again. No freethrow violation should be called in this situation. In (b), a free-throw violation shall be called on A1. (9-1-3a, e)

In your case, was the Fake "intentional?" Or would you say the Free Thrower "lost the ball?" If they lost the ball and got it back "without violating" and no one else violated - easy no call (keep counting).

If he violates to get the ball. Tweet!

But, what if he gets the ball back legally, and someone else violates? Delayed violation on them? Hmmm....

As a ref, would you use "preventitve officiating" and blow it dead before a violation, get the ball back, and re-toss it to the shooter?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by grunewar

But, what if he gets the ball back legally, and someone else violates? Delayed violation on them? Hmmm....

As a ref, would you use "preventitve officiating" and blow it dead before a violation, get the ball back, and re-toss it to the shooter?

If he gets the ball back legally, there's no "preventative officiating" to be done. You can't blow it dead because all the action so far has been legal.

If someone else violates, it depends on what happened. If the shooter made a borderline fake shot that caused another player to violate, the burden is on the shooter.

If the shooter recovers the ball and another player subsequently wanders out of the lane, that's on the other player.

FWIW, I've never seen any of this happen, so it's all a little TWP for my taste.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by mbyron

If he gets the ball back legally, there's no "preventative officiating" to be done. You can't blow it dead because all the action so far has been legal.

What I meant here was - If the shooter accidentally "muffs/drops" the ball as described, and it gets away from him, would you as an official determine it wasn't an intentional fake, "blow it dead" (preventative officiating) before any violation, ask for the ball back, and readminister the free-throw? It's a COA.

PS - I've never seen it either.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by grunewar

What I meant here was - If the shooter accidentally "muffs/drops" the ball as described, and it gets away from him, would you as an official determine it wasn't an intentional fake, "blow it dead" (preventative officiating) before any violation, ask for the ball back, and readminister the free-throw?

Depends. If he muffs the pass from the official, 9.1.1 applies and we redo. If he has possession, muffs while dribbling, and can't recover the ball without violating, then it's a violation.

Why would you prevent the violation? During play do you catch the ball to keep it from going out of bounds?

[mick]

Originally Posted by grunewar

In your case, was the Fake "intentional?" Or would you say the Free Thrower "lost the ball?" If they lost the ball and got it back "without violating" and no one else violated - easy no call (keep counting).

Originally Posted by mbyron

If he gets the ball back legally, there's no "preventative officiating" to be done. You can't blow it dead because all the action so far has been legal.

Another option would be a missed try.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Why would you prevent the violation? During play do you catch the ball to keep it from going out of bounds?

Of course I would. Not catching it would be a game interrupter.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mbyron

If he gets the ball back legally, there's no "preventative officiating" to be done. You can't blow it dead because all the action so far has been legal.

I don't see anything in the case that says the shooter can get the ball back. The case seems to imply that once the ball is dropped and rolls into the lane, it's a violation.

(We had this discussion last year when the change was introduced. No consensus was reached, iirc.)

[Amesman]

I don't see anything that says the shooter can get the ball back, either. Is there any sort of citation or case that discusses if A1 is the FT shooter, fumbles and A2 (on the lane legally the whole time) bumps it back to A1? Legal?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I don't see anything in the case that says the shooter can get the ball back. The case seems to imply that once the ball is dropped and rolls into the lane, it's a violation.

I agree that if the ball rolls into the lane then it's a violation.

I'm imagining a case in which he loses the handle and it drops at his feet or next to him, so that he need not violate to recover the ball.