[NFHS Rules] Sequence of events

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

No rule that know of, just an interpretation: 10.2.2 SITUATION: During a live ball and with the clock running, substitute A6 enters the court. RULING: A technical foul is charged if recognized by an official before the ball becomes live following the first dead ball.

that's for a substitution T, not for a 6 player T. Different rules, Billy.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

10.2.2 SITUATION: During a live ball and with the clock running, substitute A6 enters the court. RULING: A technical foul is charged if recognized by an official before the ball becomes live following the first dead ball.

10.1.6 SITUATION: With Team A leading 51 to 50, a held ball is called. A6 properly reports and enters the game. Time is then called by Team A. The clock shows two seconds remaining in the game. After play is resumed by a throw-in, the officials: (a) recognize that A has six players competing, but cannot get the clock stopped; or (b) do not notice Team A has six players on the court. Following the throw-in, time expires. Team B now reports to the officials that Team A had six players on the court. RULING: In (a), since one of the officials had knowledge that Team A had six players participating simultaneously and this was detected prior to time expiring, a technical foul is assessed against Team A. In (b), since it was not recognized by either official, but was called to their attention after time had expired, it is too late to assess any penalty.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

That's (10.2.2) for a substitution T, not for a 6 player T. Different rules.

So if during the intermission between the third and fourth period, the scorekeeper tells the officials that six players participated during the third period, several live balls, dead balls ago, then it's not too late to penalize?

Six players, player changing numbers, and participating after disqualification, are all penalized if discovered while being violated. Is the time limit the same for all three, or does the, "charged if recognized by an official before the ball becomes live following the first dead ball", apply to all three?

What is the time limit for each of these three? I thought I had these administrative technical foul time limits figured out. Obviously not. Can we explore this further.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

So if during the intermission between the third and fourth period, the scorekeeper tells the officials that six players participated during the third period, several live balls, dead balls ago, then it's not too late to penalize?

Six players, player changing numbers, and participating after disqualification, are all penalized if discovered while being violated. Is the time limit the same for all three, or does the, "charged if recognized by an official before the ball becomes live following the first dead ball", apply to all three?

What is the time limit for each of these three? I thought I had these administrative technical foul time limits figured out. Obviously not. Can we explore this further.

Billy, there's no time limit for penalty, but for discovery. And no, if the timer tells me 6 players were playing three live balls ago, I don't count that as being discovered in time. I know the timer is part of the officiating crew, but not on this one.

If I don't see it, it didn't happen.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If I don't see it, it didn't happen.

Snaqwells: Thanks for your response. So let me see if I've got this straight. Team A, unbeknown to the officials, has six players participating during a live ball. A whistle sounds for a foul, violation, inadvertent whistle, time out, or intermission, making the ball dead, and at that time one of the officials realizes that there are six Team A players on the court during the dead ball. At that time, is it to late to discover and penalize?

Also, If Snaqwells isn't in the forest, and a tree falls ... Oh, never mind.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Snaqwells: Thanks for your response. So let me see if I've got this straight. Team A, unbeknown to the officials, has six players participating during a live ball. A whistle sounds for a foul, violation, inadvertent whistle, time out, or intermission, making the ball dead, and at that time one of the officials realizes that there are six Team A players on the court during the dead ball. At that time, is it to late to discover and penalize?

Also, If Snaqwells isn't in the forest, and a tree falls ... Oh, never mind.

I will say it this way. If I count 6 immediately after the whistle and absolutely know they did not come on the court after the whistle, I might call the T. But I'd have to be 115% positive.