Backcourt?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rsl

Isn't it one of our key principles that the status of a player in the air is where they last touched?

What if the player was jumping in from out of bounds?

"You are where you were until you get where you are going."

Yes, that is a key principle...but that doesn't mean we need to have FC/BC line in effect until the player lands.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Yes, that is a key principle...but that doesn't mean we need to have FC/BC line in effect until the player lands.

Should the IB/OOB line also not be in effect until the player lands as well?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Should the IB/OOB line also not be in effect until the player lands as well?

I wouldn't be opposed to that. It will never happen, though.

Or, one could ask, should the lane lines be in effect on a throw-in as well?

There are different areas on the court and they don't all need to be treated the same.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Should the IB/OOB line also not be in effect until the player lands as well?

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I wouldn't be opposed to that. It will never happen, though.

Bob...your thinking on this is? During throw ins? Example?

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Should the IB/OOB line also not be in effect until the player lands as well?

I'd say no. OOB lines are part of every play. All other lines are situational.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Should the IB/OOB line also not be in effect until the player lands as well?

Irrelevant.

Why?

Because a player jumping from OOB will have committed a violation as soon as they touch the ball no matter if it was tipped or not and without regard to where they land.

A player, A1, jumping from thier FC to catch a throwin and landing in their backcourt may or may not be guilty of a violation depending on whether another player first touched the ball or not....as in a defender getting a fingertip on the ball just before A1 catches the ball.

The rule SHOULD be that the exception would apply until a team gains control of the ball (not just until the throwin ends)....and if such control is gained by an airborne player, that player is allowed a normal landing. I'm less inclined to make any argument that the exception should apply through a catch/pass to a teammate in the backcourt.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Irrelevant.

Why?

Because a player jumping from OOB will have committed a violation as soon as they touch the ball no matter if it was tipped or not and without regard to where they land.

A player, A1, jumping from thier FC to catch a throwin and landing in their backcourt may or may not be guilty of a violation depending on whether another player first touched the ball or not....as in a defender getting a fingertip on the ball just before A1 catches the ball.

The rule SHOULD be that the exception would apply until a team gains control of the ball (not just until the throwin ends)....and if such control is gained by an airborne player, that player is allowed a normal landing. I'm less inclined to make any argument that the exception should apply through a catch/pass to a teammate in the backcourt.

The only reason I asked this question was to respond to your comment about the principle of player location not applying to a backcourt violation until a player lands. To me that's just another exception we would need to remember.

Fwiw, I don't particularly like the throw-in exception; I would prefer all throw-ins be handled with all the normal player location and team control/player control rules in effect. But the committee decided to add the TI exception and the "good defense" exception to the backcourt violation. Ok. At least they kept other aspects in place - the TI exception ends when the TI ends. That's what makes this play easy enough for me - there's no additional "exceptions" to remember.

[Adam]

And I would prefer the exception apply to all situations in which team control is established by an airborne player, regardless of wether it's during a throwin, jump ball, or defensive play.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

The only reason I asked this question was to respond to your comment about the principle of player location not applying to a backcourt violation until a player lands. To me that's just another exception we would need to remember.

Fwiw, I don't particularly like the throw-in exception; I would prefer all throw-ins be handled with all the normal player location and team control/player control rules in effect. But the committee decided to add the TI exception and the "good defense" exception to the backcourt violation. Ok. At least they kept other aspects in place - the TI exception ends when the TI ends. That's what makes this play easy enough for me - there's no additional "exceptions" to remember.

Perhaps a better way to write such a rule, rather than exceptions to the backcourt violation, would be to say that a the existance of a FC and BC for a team do not exist until there is player control by a player in contact with the floor inbounds. That would take care of all of the exceptions at the same time.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Perhaps a better way to write such a rule, rather than exceptions to the backcourt violation, would be to say that a the existance of a FC and BC for a team do not exist until there is player control by a player in contact with the floor inbounds. That would take care of all of the exceptions at the same time.

On initial review, that sounds good to me. I'd have to think about it some more though, to see if there are any other unintended consequences.

In the meantime, just use your influence over various members of the committee to get this under consideration.