somewhat OT - what's wrong with the coaches at this school?

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not sure what you're referring to. I've worked several of her games over the years, including a few playoff games. I don't recall her ever saying much at all.

Well, you are a very good ref, Camron. The one game of hers I reffed, I was probably in over my head, and I know it's just her voice, but it was really annoying.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

Well, you are a very good ref, Camron. The one game of hers I reffed, I was probably in over my head, and I know it's just her voice, but it was really annoying.

You had said...

I didn't like the way she screeched at the refs all the way through her games

appearing to me that you were saying that was her typical behavior.

You seem to be most upset that she appears, based only on you not seeing the article about her, to have gotten special treatment. Just becasue you didn't see it didn't mean it didn't get reported. What gets reported, more often than not, depends on what else is in the news that week. If there was some big event, her story probably got pushed to the last page. It is even possible that if there were enough bigger stories, the editor would choose to drop such a story.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Tim C

. . . oh yeah, after your JV game you probably stayed to watch the varsity officials.

Wow.

Nice shot there, Tim C.

It's interesting how opinions about a person can be influenced by something as small as a b!tchy comment they post about someone else on an officials discussion board.

Not sure you won very many fan points by posting a comment like that.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Not sure you won very many fan points by posting a comment like that.

He does not care about who is a fan of his. His posting style might offend some people, but IMO he is well worth listening to when it comes to baseball umpiring.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You had said...

I didn't like the way she screeched at the refs all the way through her games

appearing to me that you were saying that was her typical behavior.

You seem to be most upset that she appears, based only on you not seeing the article about her, to have gotten special treatment. Just becasue you didn't see it didn't mean it didn't get reported. What gets reported, more often than not, depends on what else is in the news that week. If there was some big event, her story probably got pushed to the last page. It is even possible that if there were enough bigger stories, the editor would choose to drop such a story.

It has appeared to me that it is her typical behavior. In any game of hers that I've either reffed (1 game) or watched, many or most of her comments to the refs were said at high pitch and high volume. Reffing that game, I found it extremely annoying. However, I also said, that I thought she was a good coach, and I appreciated the way she related to her girls. I was commenting on one small flaw that I see in her, and two large strengths.

Also, you're right that the stories about her DUII's might have been printed and I missed them. It just seems odd to me that the David Adelman stories both got printed on the front page of the sports section, and that although I see the paper every day, I never saw either of hers.

It wasn't meant as a witch hunt (I know you didn't say that, Camron), a denigration or compliment to the Oregonian or to Jesuit. It was a wonderment. There might be a really great explanation, there might be a really shameful one. There might be a quite flimsy one. It was just a comment that when I saw the part of the article Mark referenced, I was surprised to read about Kathy Adelman-Naro's DUII's. I just wondered why it either hadn't been printed or I hadn't noticed it.

I still don't see why anyone is jumping down my throat about it.

[Tim C]

"It's interesting how opinions about a person can be influenced by something as small as a b!tchy comment . . . "

Actually my opinions about Ms Downs have been established by the (dis)advantage of actually watching her work games. I have also read all of her articles on this website.

My view of Ms Downs have never been hidden as I commented concerning some of her actions, philosophies and activities in my former column on this site.

In my opinion Downs clearly tried to insinuate that some how a local high school had tried to cover up this illegal activity.

The original OP HOWEVER was spot on about the one school who has continued to have inappropriate behavior from many on the coaching staff.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Actually my opinions about Ms Downs have been established by the (dis)advantage of actually watching her work games.

LOL!! Well, I've never claimed to be any more than a very mediocre ref. I also am a lousy cook, own an ugly house, and have a face only a mother could love.

Originally Posted by Tim C

I have also read all of her articles on this website.

And I (at one time) had read all of yours.

Originally Posted by Tim C

My view of Ms Downs have never been hidden as I commented concerning some of her actions, philosophies and activities in my former column on this site.

Yep, you've always been very upfront about your opinions about pretty much everything...

Originally Posted by Tim C

In my opinion Downs clearly tried to insinuate that some how a local high school had tried to cover up this illegal activity.

Thank you for acknowledging that it's your inference, rather than my implication. I can see how you might have mis-interpreted what I said, but once I stated clearly that "insinuation" wasn't my intention, I think you could have backed off a little. (Wow, lots if words in those sentences that start with I!)

Originally Posted by Tim C

The original OP HOWEVER was spot on about the one school who has continued to have inappropriate behavior from many on the coaching staff.

Yea, and about another coach from a different school who had inappropriate behavior. Over the years, in various parts of the Portland area, there have been coaches in different schools caught in behavior that reflects badly on them and their school. It's always sad.

I still don't see what any of that has to do with my reffing abilities.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

...and have a face only a mother could love.

Thanks for stating the obvious.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Actually my opinions about Ms Downs have been established by the (dis)advantage of actually watching her work games. I have also read all of her articles on this website.

My view of Ms Downs have never been hidden as I commented concerning some of her actions, philosophies and activities in my former column on this site.

.

Oh...OK. I get it. You don't like the way a person refs games, so that means you can be a total a$$ towards her.

Great.

Good to know.

Instead of trying to help the person become a "better" official, you just take cheap shots at them on the forum.

Interesting way of dealing with things. Must be a "Portland" thing.

[Tim C]

Come across the river to Hooters and have a sandwhich:

We can discuss the "reasons" that I have landed straight in Juulie's soup.

She made several errors in her post on this subject: I did NOTHING wrong and just may have accidentally exposed some of her obvious weaknesses.

I have dug my own hole. Many years ago I asked in this section: "If you went to a game and watched one of the posters worked a game and they were terrible would you post that review."

Somehow Officiating sites won't allow truth to be the best defense.

And I would much rather live in Portland than Vantucky.

Regards,

[Smitty]

Funny...there's no Tim C listed in the PBOA directory. Maybe I should have looked for a name starting with Dick...

[Tim C]

I have never stated that I am a PBOA member.

Keep up to speed if you want to participate.

You have proved my point about truth as a defense.

Regards,

[mbyron]

A little of the baseball forum's snarkiness over here in basketball territory...

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Come across the river to Hooters and have a sandwhich:

We can discuss the "reasons" that I have landed straight in Juulie's soup.

She made several errors in her post on this subject: I did NOTHING wrong and just may have accidentally exposed some of her obvious weaknesses.

I have dug my own hole. Many years ago I asked in this section: "If you went to a game and watched one of the posters worked a game and they were terrible would you post that review."

Somehow Officiating sites won't allow truth to be the best defense.

And I would much rather live in Portland than Vantucky.

Regards,

Hey, Tim, it's okay. Flame away. I hope it's helping you somehow. But I do think it's not relevant to the thread, and perhaps you should take it elsewhere.

[Mark Padgett]

When I started this thread, I was sure it would deteriorate into a "let's put down Juulie" discussion. Sheesh. I've worked games with her and they were most enjoyable. I consider her a "buddy". And as to her face, I must be her mother.

Juulie - I wish you would contact Bruce about working our rec league. I'm sure he won't schedule you with ABC if you ask him not to do so.