What's the point of vacating?

[Matt S.]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Sources: NCAA may 'vacate' Memphis Tigers victories - ESPN


If they aren't going to impose any financial penalties against the school or the coach, then what is the point?

[/RANT OFF]

Actually, Memphis will forfeit all monies earned in the NCAA tournament-and has to return that $$$ to Conference USA. The school may also lose a percentage of its conference share in the future...

You cannot sanction the current program-different coach, players, etc...they did place the school on 3 years probation.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Matt S.

Actually, Memphis will forfeit all monies earned in the NCAA tournament-and has to return that $$$ to Conference USA. The school may also lose a percentage of its conference share in the future...

You cannot sanction the current program-different coach, players, etc...they did place the school on 3 years probation.

The coach should be sanctioned even if he's at another school! The fact that the coach has no liability when he moves to another school is ridiculous.

-Josh

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Matt S.

You cannot sanction the current program-different coach, players, etc...they did place the school on 3 years probation.

Actually, they can and have done so on several occasions. The institution is ultimately responsible for most infractions. And the player are almost always different at the time of the sanctions for any infraction.

[Nevadaref]

BTW has an NCAA champion ever been vacated?
I don't think so.
Does anyone think that this would be done had Memphis not messed up the last couple minutes of the championship game and lost to Kansas in OT?

I seriously doubt it.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

BTW has an NCAA champion ever been vacated?
I don't think so.
Does anyone think that this would be done had Memphis not messed up the last couple minutes of the championship game and lost to Kansas in OT?

I seriously doubt it.

Well, I know in the case of Michigan basketball, the team vacated a Final Four appearence, an NIT championship, and a Big Ten championship in various years from their scandal. I would think the NCAA would have no real issues with vacating the championship if Memphis would've won.

The NCAA has vacated championships, but not yet in D-I basketball. If you were to look at their list of champions in various sports, you might spot the vacated championships.

Did some quick research. Only took me about 20 minutes to get it all done. In it's entire history, the NCAA has vacated only 8 championships (that I could discern from their website). The hall of shame:

1989-Div. II Football-Mississippi College
1988-Div. I Women's Golf-Tulsa
1990-Div. I Men's Lacrosse-Syracuse
1971-Div. I Men's Soccer-Howard
1978-Div. I Men's Soccer-San Francisco
1995-Div. I Softball-UCLA
2002-Men's Volleyball-Hawaii
2003-Men's Volleyball-Lewis

You'll see the latest vacation of a championship was the 2003 Men's VB championship Lewis got stripped of. It doesn't happen often, but championship vacations do happen.

[JPaco54]

Jeff Caulkins writer here for the CA, stated a few things I thought were interesting in this morning's paper. Hopefully you will be able to copy and past the link. Why did Rose go to Detroit to take the test when he is from chicago?

Geoff Calkins: In Calipari's defense ? oh wait, there is none : GoMemphisTigers : Your leading source for The University of Memphis Tigers

[Fritz]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

BTW has an NCAA champion ever been vacated?
I don't think so.
Does anyone think that this would be done had Memphis not messed up the last couple minutes of the championship game and lost to Kansas in OT?

I seriously doubt it.

This created quite a bit of discussion in my neck of the woods yesterday; what if Chalmers' shot rims out and the Tigers win? Would they NCAA vacate the championship, and if so, would that mean my Jayhawks would be the belated champs?

Consensus seemed to be that the NCAA would have meted out a different penalty and avoided vacating a "major" championship like D-1 men's BB, and creating more confusion/controversy over who should be declared the champs.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Fritz

This created quite a bit of discussion in my neck of the woods yesterday; what if Chalmers' shot rims out and the Tigers win? Would they NCAA vacate the championship, and if so, would that mean my Jayhawks would be the belated champs?

Consensus seemed to be that the NCAA would have meted out a different penalty and avoided vacating a "major" championship like D-1 men's BB, and creating more confusion/controversy over who should be declared the champs.

When a game is vacated, the other team does not get the win....cause they didn't win. Any one of the teams that were eliminated by the vacated team would have an argument to be the champion.

The game simply never happened and there would be no champion.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

When a game is vacated, the other team does not get the win....cause they didn't win. Any one of the teams that were eliminated by the vacated team would have an argument to be the champion.

The game simply never happened and there would be no champion.

So who keeps the money from those games which never happened?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

So who keeps the money from those games which never happened?

The NCAA gets it, of course.

[Johnny Ringo]

And Plaxico Buress got two years for shooting himslef ... go figure.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

And Plaxico Buress got two years for shooting himslef ... go figure.

There is no legal penalty for shooting yourself.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

There is no legal penalty for shooting yourself.

Unless it draws attention to the fact that you were carrying a weapon illegally in a NY nightclub. He's lucky he didn't damage the jewells.