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A majority of coaches are uncomfortable with anything they are unfamiliar with. So the best way to establish confidence from them is to ref several of their games. Sometimes, there is no substitute for experience.
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and we have a winner...
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I like quick whistles followed by clear and desicive mechanics. Slow (late) whistles sometimes imply to me that the Ref was waiting to see how the action played out (if the shot goes in, maybe he ignores the push). Might not be the case, but it looks that way to me, the players, and to the folks in the stands. I like a brief (if possible) answer to a legitimate relevant game question. I know the only response I'm entitled to a statement I make is to be ignored, or to get whacked. Just like anybody, I do not like to be talked down to, insulted, or disrespected when I have previously and up to that point established that I am behaving in a respectful manner. If I'm treated in this manner without cause (rarely), I will never respect that Ref. It really bothers me when a Ref lags behind (lead or trail). If he's outa shape and can't keep up with the pace of the game, it's difficult for me to have respect and avoid saying something. I would never say something loud enough for fans to hear, or to otherwise embarass, but I have said something face to face like, "Sir, I'd really appreciate if you'd get to the same half of the court the ball is on." I realize that could get me seat belted, but I'd take it. In the maybe 2 times I've actually said that, they actually hustled better afterwards. You gotta understand, we are rural, we play some games on an Indian Reservation where once in Jr High, one of the Refs had a pepsi in his hand 1/2 the game and leaned against the wall behind the basket instead of standing behind the end line. Sometimes Refs will pause, or even take a player aside and speak directly to them. I generally do not like it when Refs talk to my players about the way they play basketball. Every time that happens, I ask the player what the talk was about, and to their credit (the Refs), It's been my experience that I've appreciated the feed back or comment given to my player. So I think this is a sort of predjudice on my part that is unfounded. Last observation: ANY advice in here about dealing with coaches that begins with phrases such as, "Most coaches..." should be lightly regarded at best. We are all individuals, just like you guys. We are nomore all the same than any group of humans is all the same in desiring basic respect. |
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For the record a slow whistle is now promoted or taught too many levels of officiating. The quicker whistle often does not allow the play to complete or shows less confidence that what you saw will take place a second or two later. And as an official you really do not care what coaches, players and fans ultimately think about this part of the game. That is something they have to deal with or get over. Quote:
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Let us get into "Good Trouble." ----------------------------------------------------------- Charles Michael “Mick” Chambers (1947-2010) Last edited by JRutledge; Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 05:08pm. |
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I'm pretty sure Jeff has a typo below that substantially changes the meaning of what I'm thinking he meant to say...
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Assuming that is the case....some coaches just don't get it. A bump at the FT line on a drive where a foul call would result in the team getting the ball OOB is not as valuable as the player being allowed to continue for an undefended shot if they are able to get by that last defender in position to do anything (the one who just fouled them). EDIT: Or for that matter, a layup is even more valuable than a 1-and-1 or 2 FT shots when the possible foul occurs before the act of shooting begins. I had a coach just about blow up on me a couple seasons ago when his guard, from near the top of the key and about 15' off the sideline, drew a defender who promptly whacked the guard across the arm as the guard was releasing a pass to a teammate. The coach got suddenly quiet when I directed his attention toward his 3-point sharpshooter in the corner who was about to release a shot with no defener anywhere near.....swish...and a smile from the coach. A foul call is not always necessary or the best result. If the pass had not made it to the intended recipient, a foul would have been the right call...but calling it as it played out would have disadvantaged the fouled team.
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Mere contact does not constitute a foul. |
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Cameron - I understand what you are saying about holding the call and seeing the whole play (regarding the 3pt shooter)...but some thoughts:
Isn't this allowing the defender 6 fouls before they foul out. Also, this allows the defender to play more aggressive and thus changing the game? What happens the next time the same situation occurs? What happens if the 3pt shooter decided not to shoot? A no call - when there is a foul - may have an immediate advantage for the offense but in the long run it can be a disadvantage as basketball has penalties for accumulating fouls. Where does one draw the line? At what point is the offensive advantage "good enough" that you don't blow the whistle? |
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I had a situation similar to Cameron's in a boys' sophomore game; except I called the foul 30 feet from the basket right after the guard released a pass to a streaking teammate heading for the basket. Coach yelled about me taking away a layup and wanting an intentional if I was going to make that call, and he was right about the layup (even if there's no way that was intentional).
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Sprinkles are for winners. Last edited by Adam; Fri Aug 07, 2009 at 11:04am. |
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Draw the line? That's the sweet art aspect of what we do!! Gotta have a feel for the game... what each player can/can't play through... I'd rather be late & right, than too quick & wrong. Funny how that pertains to more than officiating |
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[QUOTE=Snaqwells;619359]The rule is that the offending contact must provide some sort of advantage in order to be a foul. So, if the play continues as the offense intended in spite of the contact, there is no foul to call.
Snaq - so, I guess you never have any 3-point plays in your games? Because, according to your logic, if a guy gets whacked during his lay-up try and continues on to make the lay-up, you have no foul. |
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Nice try, though. |
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