Help with a play

[budjones05]

We were discussing this play at camp, and I wanted to see what you will say.


A1 shoots a shot behind the 3 point line and the ball is made into Team B's basket. A1 is fouled on the shot by B1. What do you do?

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by budjones05

We were discussing this play at camp, and I wanted to see what you will say.


A1 shoots a shot behind the 3 point line and the ball is made into Team B's basket. A1 is fouled on the shot by B1. What do you do?

cancel the goal, you will award A1 three shots for the foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by truerookie

cancel the goal, you will award A1 three shots for the foul.

The part in red is wrong. It's not a shooting foul, so you will only award bonus free throws, if appropriate. If not in the bonus, throwin for team A.

[FBullock]

Concur, No basket and no shoots unless A in bonus or foul ruled flagrant or intentional or excessive contact.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by budjones05

We were discussing this play at camp, and I wanted to see what you will say.


A1 shoots a shot behind the 3 point line and the ball is made into Team B's basket. A1 is fouled on the shot by B1. What do you do?

Come on Bud, you know this was an easy one. It was not a try so it would be a common foul.

[grunewar]

Concur w/ Snaqs, FB, and BNR.

Case Book play 4.41.2.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Case Book play 4.41.2.

4.41.2 SITUATION: A1 becomes confused and throws the ball at the wrong basket. A1 is fouled by B1 and the ball goes into the basket. Is this a successful basket? If A1 missed, would A1 be awarded two free throws for the foul by B1? RULING: No goal. The ball became dead when the foul occurred. When a player throws at the opponent’s basket, it is not a try. If the team is in the bonus when B1 fouled A1, A1 is given either a one-and-one attempt or two free throws at Team A’s basket. If Team A was not in the bonus, then the ball is awarded to Team A for a throw-in at the out-of-bounds spot nearest the foul. (7-5-4a)

[BillyMac]

Team A is down three points with just a few seconds left in the game. A1 is chasing a loose ball at the division line. The ball is about to go out of bounds, at the division line, right in front of the table. A1, in a race with defender B1, is able to catch up to the ball, but does so in such an acrobatic, athletic, and contorted manner, that in spinning around, he is only able to shoot the ball:
a) exactly in line with the division line, with the trajectory of the ball toward opposite the table.
b) at an angle such that the trajectory of the ball is toward the backcourt, and therefore, toward Team B's basket.
In both a), and b), B1 fouls A1 before A1 returns to the floor after A1's shooting motion. The buzzer ending the fourth period sounds while the ball in in the air in both a), and b). In both a), and b), the ball doesn't enter the basket. Both teams are in the bonus.

What's the theoretical call?

[Hugh Refner]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Team A is down three points with just a few seconds left in the game. A1 is chasing a loose ball at the division line. The ball is about to go out of bounds, at the division line, right in front of the table. A1, in a race with defender B1, is able to catch up to the ball, but does so in such an acrobatic, athletic, and contorted manner, that in spinning around, he is only able to shoot the ball:
a) exactly in line with the division line, with the trajectory of the ball toward opposite the table.
b) at an angle such that the trajectory of the ball is toward the backcourt, and therefore, toward Team B's basket.
In both a), and b), B1 fouls A1 during A1's shooting motion. The buzzer ending the fourth period sounds while the ball in in the air in both a), and b). In both a), and b), the ball doesn't enter the basket. Both teams are in the bonus.

What's the theoretical call?

First of all, according to the description, the foul occurs in both instances before the period ends so the foul will be administered. If, in the opinion of the official, it was a legitimate shot attempt (and the poster uses the term "shooting motion", so by definition it seems there was a shot attempt), three free throws will be taken. However, if, in the opinion of the official, there was not a legitimate shot attempt, then a one and one situation exists and will be administered. Notice the poster said "bonus", not "double bonus".

My guess is the purpose of the post is to start a discussion on whether the decision to determine if a foul was a shooting foul or not is dependent on the action of the ball handler or the subsequent result of the flight and/or action of the ball. It's the action of the ball handler. If they are fouled while performing action that normally leads to the release of a shot, it's a shooting foul. That's pretty basic.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Team A is down three points with just a few seconds left in the game. A1 is chasing a loose ball at the division line. The ball is about to go out of bounds, at the division line, right in front of the table. A1, in a race with defender B1, is able to catch up to the ball, but does so in such an acrobatic, athletic, and contorted manner, that in spinning around, he is only able to shoot the ball:
a) exactly in line with the division line, with the trajectory of the ball toward opposite the table.
b) at an angle such that the trajectory of the ball is toward the backcourt, and therefore, toward Team B's basket.
In both a), and b), B1 fouls A1 before A1 returns to the floor after A1's shooting motion. The buzzer ending the fourth period sounds while the ball in in the air in both a), and b). In both a), and b), the ball doesn't enter the basket. Both teams are in the bonus.

What's the theoretical call?

Billy:

My rulings are not theoritical. We are going to shoot three free throws in both (a) and (b). There is no reason to think that A1 is doing anything but attempting a three-point field goal attempt.

A number of years ago, in a boys' H.S. game, I had to throw the Home AD out of our dressing room because: With time running out in the first quarter, H1 attempts a field goal that bounds off the rim in the far quarter. V1 runs the ball down and starts to fling the ball toward V's basket from about 80 feet away. Just before he releases the ball H2 hacks him across his throwing arm and then the buzzer sounded. V1 shoots three free throws to end the first quarter. The Home-HC wasn't happy about the award of free throws until I gave him an explaination of the rule. The only problem the Home-AD didn't like my call and thought he had the right to burst in to the officials' dressing room at half-time. I took great pleasure in writing a game report about his conduct because he was a MichiganHSAA registered Track/Field official.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It was not a try so it would be a common foul.

True. But you have to admit, in layman's terms, not rules-speak, it's a very uncommon foul.

[budjones05]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Come on Bud, you know this was an easy one. It was not a try so it would be a common foul.

You know I knew it, just wanted to see if you did,