A1 jump to shoot, and blocked by B1.

[mendi]

B1 hand stay in touch with the ball all the time till A1 land, A1 land without leaving the ball. they both was in touch with the ball while A1 land.

travelling violation? if not, can A1 dribble again?

and what if A1 is "blocked" by teammate A2?

[DonInKansas]

Held ball. Go to the arrow.

[BillyMac]

When an airborne player keeps control of an attempted shot that is blocked and is unable to release the ball and returns to the floor with it, that player has not traveled; it is a held ball. If, in this situation, the shooter releases the ball, then this is simply a blocked shot and play continues. When an airborne player tries for goal, sees that the try will be blocked, purposely drops the ball, and picks up the ball after it hits the floor, that player has traveled by starting a dribble with the pivot foot off the floor, whether, or not, the defensive player touches the ball in the block attempt.

Also: The shooter can retrieve his or her own airball, if the referee considers it to be a shot attempt. The release ends team control. It is not a violation for that player to start another dribble at that point.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mendi

What if A1 is "blocked" by teammate A2?

Ball not released: Traveling.
Ball released: Play on.

[mendi]

The situation with the intentionally released ball is interesting.

But let me to put it more complex:

1) what if a teammate A2 is touching the A1 ball during A1 jump without release it? (in street basketballball it may happend when A2 forgot that A1 is teammate...)
2) what if when B1 block A1 by touching the ball, B1 is walking while touching the ball (now you may split the case if B1 was actually causing to double control or not), and then he release the ball (A1 still in the air), is the ball still live?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mendi

1) What if a teammate A2 is touching the A1 ball during A1 jump without release it?
2) What if when B1 block A1 by touching the ball, B1 is walking while touching the ball and then he release the ball (A1 still in the air), is the ball still live?
3) In street basketball it may happened when A2 forgot that A1 is teammate.

1) If A1 shoots (ball released), play on. If A1 does not shoot and returns to the floor, travel. If the shot is blocked by A2, and the ball becomes loose, play on, and I believe that A1 may dribble if he is the first to gain possession of the ball.

2) Touching is not the same as controlling the ball, and thus, having possession. I don't believe that B1 can violate the rules regarding traveling, and/or illegal dribbling, in this situation. Also, remember, regarding live ball/ dead ball: The ball becomes dead when: a goal is made; it is apparent the free throw will not be successful on a free throw which is to be followed by another free throw or a free throw which is to be followed by a throw-in; a held ball occurs, or the ball lodges between the backboard and ring or comes to rest on the flange; a player-control or team-control foul occurs; an official’s whistle is blown with exceptions; time expires for a quarter or extra period, with exceptions; a foul, other than player- or team-control, occurs, with exceptions; a free-throw violation by the throwing team occurs; a violation occurs, with exceptions. Regarding exceptions, the ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when a try or tap for a field goal is in flight, or while a try for a free throw is in flight, or during continuous motion by a player who has started a try or tap for goal (is in the act of shooting) before the foul by an opponent occurred, provided time did not expire before the ball was in flight. So unless one of these happened, the ball is still live.

3) You've got to be kidding me.

[mendi]

I was sure that in regular case (no shooting) if A1 and B1 on the floor and have double control(lets say they both hold the ball with two hands), and B1 travelling or going outside of bounds then its held ball, even if 3 seconds didnt passd.

Thus, my question is about the case that A1 is on the air with the ball and B1 come and also hold the ball with both hands and walking (or maybe go outside of bounds while holding) then it is an held ball and thus A1 cannot continue with the shot from the air after B1 release the ball....

[budjones05]

Jump ball

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by budjones05

Jump ball

Held ball ???

[mendi]

Is there any final decision about the last case i mentioned?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mendi

Is there any final decision about the last case I mentioned?

Touching is not the same as controlling the ball, and thus, having possession. I don't believe that B1 can violate the rules regarding traveling, and/or illegal dribbling, in this situation.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Touching is not the same as controlling

Absolutely correct. Just ask my wife.

[BillyMac]

4.44.3 SITUATION A: A1 jumps to try for goal. B1 also jumps and: (a) slaps the ball out of A1’s hands; (b) touches the ball but does not prevent A1 from releasing the ball; (c) touches the ball and A1 returns to the floor holding the ball; or (d) touches the ball and A1 drops it to the floor and touches it first after it bounces. RULING: In (a) and (b), the ball remains live. In (c), a traveling violation. In (d), a violation for starting a dribble with the pivot foot off the floor. Since the touching did not prevent the pass or try in (b), (c) and (d), the ball remains live and subsequent action is covered by rules which apply to the situation.

[mendi]

If A1 jump with the ball without releasing it untill land, and B1 come and touch the ball all the way untill A1 land.
what the rule here?

[Lotto]

Originally Posted by mendi

If A1 jump with the ball without releasing it untill land, and B1 come and touch the ball all the way untill A1 land.
what the rule here?

If B1's touch prevented the release of the ball by A1 - held ball.

If not - travel on A1.

The official must make a judgement about whether B1's touch prevented the release of the ball by A1.