trail calls in the paint

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mregor

Do you even bother to read and try to comprehend what someone says or are you just naturally antagonistic? This whole thread is about PCA's and it's not about 3-man which is very different than 2-man. Isn't there an ignore button on here?

Obviously you do not understand what it means when someone used the term PCA. If you did, you would understand the logic behind the 2 Person primary coverage areas and how it is directly linked to the 3 Person coverage areas. This is why the NF asks the lead official to rotate to mirror 3 Person logic. Two person coverage areas are directly trying to compensate for not having another official. This is why they ask the lead official to rotate to the other side of the court in the first place. If you do not understand that, then you will never understand when to call or not to call at certain areas on the floor.

It is obvious this is completely lost on you. Yes, please ignore me, this conversation is a little over your head. If you got it, you could simply engage in the discussion and not try to make this about what you feel someone is acting.

Peace

[Mregor]

You obviously can't understand the English language. Why don't you go back and read my comment and really try to understand it.

You said what if the lead never rotates ball side. I replied that we get to pick our partners here where I work and if that was the case, I'd get a new partner. You replied why would I get a new partner because he was following the proscribed (the correct word is prescribed BTW) mechanic. The meaning of my original reply is that if I had a partner that refuses to rotate ball side, I'd find look for a new partner (implying that I would find one who did rotate).

Like I stated, your an antogonist and just like to argue and belittle people presumably to make yourself superior. This is a learning forum, get over yourself.

Roger

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mregor

You obviously can't understand the English language. Why don't you go back and read my comment and really try to understand it.

You said what if the lead never rotates ball side. I replied that we get to pick our partners here where I work and if that was the case, I'd get a new partner. You replied why would I get a new partner because he was following the proscribed (the correct word is prescribed BTW) mechanic. The meaning of my original reply is that if I had a partner that refuses to rotate ball side, I'd find look for a new partner (implying that I would find one who did rotate).

It is not about just about English, it is about communication skills as well. Why would you get a new partner, because they rotated or because they did not rotate? Seems to me you were not very clear why you objected to what I said. And I did not ask you about how you choose partners if you want to split hairs over what I stated the differences between 2 Person and 3 Person coverage areas. Most of us likely cannot choose partners. I know I cannot choose partners if I was working 2 Person games. I would not have the clout or trust from those assigning to have that kind of say. That point is irrelevant to this discussion if you want to dismiss what I said about the differences in coverage areas.

That being said, the lead needs to rotate to get a better angle in their coverage area. If they do not rotate, they are leaving the call to the Trail or the better angle to the Trail official depending on where the ball is located in the lane. And that concept is the same as what is expected in 3 Person as well. That was the only point I was making and the reason why we cannot expect the Lead (who has the lane if you look at the book) to call everything in the lane when they very likely did not see the entire play (e.g. Ball coming from the Trail's coverage area) or is straight lined on a back side or play from behind a shooter going to the basket. This very thing was discussed by Tommy O’Neil at the IHSA Conference when he gave a presentation on 3 Person and talked about the reasons you rotate and the difficulty of the Center (who has the same angle as the Trail in 2 Person) in relationship to the Lead in a similar angle.

I am actually an IHSA Registered Basketball Clinician in my state that was hand picked to teach mechanics in this sport. I am telling you something that is being taught from officials much better than me and what we see the deficiencies of the 2 Person system. And even the 3 Person system we have similar deficiencies when the Lead tries to call everything in the lane (usually to the opposite side of the lane from where they are standing) and cannot see or does not have a good angle to make a call. This is why we ask the Lead to rotate in 3 Person to rotate. So yes, in my opinion the two are very much related and the people in my state that are over me or more experienced than me feel the same way. This is not a new concept that I came up all on my own. Actually I did not come up with it at all. I used to be against rotation for the lead in 2 Person until I was shown many examples as to why the lead needed to rotate.

Originally Posted by Mregor

Like I stated, your an antogonist and just like to argue and belittle people presumably to make yourself superior. This is a learning forum, get over yourself.

Roger

First of all you do not know what I like to do. I just go through teaching a bunch of new official (over 100) for a 4 hour period of time teaching the expectations of officiating. In doing that, I talk very direct and honestly about what those have to face. I do not need to feel anything. But if you are going to talk about calling the game, you better deal with more than what the book says, because the book does not tell you what most will teach at a camp. I have had better officials than me talk about how the mechanics are a guide, not an absolute. You seem to think there is an absolute way of doing this thing we call officiating, and someone introducing an idea beyond what you have been taught is a struggle for you. If it bothers you that much, then do not read a single word. At the end of the day, I got my games. I am not trying to learn how to call the game and when to call a PCA and when not to. You can take the advice for what it is worth and use what you find useful and throw out the rest. I will tell you this, the people on this board are not going to ultimately care if you get it or not. They are in the same boat; they are going to be judged on what they do on the court, not what you think they said here.

Peace