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Old Thu May 21, 2009, 09:00am
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Never called it 'Cadillac' but I am assuming you refer to the diagonal that split the frontcourt into 2 zones of PCA.

No, that is not Cadillac.

In the ancient days of two-man mechanics, when the team shooting at the basket to the right of the scorer's table had the ball, the L would be table-side and the T would be opposite the table and when the team shooting at the basket to the left of the scorer's table had the ball, the T would be table-side and the L would be opposite the table: This was called Cadillac (also call right-handed mechanics) whenever a throw-in (or a jump ball) required the officials to officiate using left-handed (opposite of Cadillac) mechanics the T would iniate a switch once all ten (10) players where in the front court and the ball was in the mid-court (look up that definition in your Funk & Wagnals, ) area. In either case, court coverage in the front court was defined by the Block and L.

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Old Thu May 21, 2009, 10:07am
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I am remember working Cadillac. Welcome to the bald old geezers club, .

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Old Thu May 21, 2009, 02:25pm
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How about these at the bottom of the page? http://www.nfhs.org/core/contentmana...es_Changes.pdf THANKS! Kevin
This is a NCAA-W mechanic and I have seen it done on the mens side as well.
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Old Thu May 21, 2009, 03:19pm
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No, that is not Cadillac.

In the ancient days of two-man mechanics, when the team shooting at the basket to the right of the scorer's table had the ball, the L would be table-side and the T would be opposite the table and when the team shooting at the basket to the left of the scorer's table had the ball, the T would be table-side and the L would be opposite the table: This was called Cadillac (also call right-handed mechanics) whenever a throw-in (or a jump ball) required the officials to officiate using left-handed (opposite of Cadillac) mechanics the T would iniate a switch once all ten (10) players where in the front court and the ball was in the mid-court (look up that definition in your Funk & Wagnals, ) area. In either case, court coverage in the front court was defined by the Block and L.

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The term 'right-handed mechanics' I remember. It was one of those things I had to unlearn after taking 26 years off.
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Old Thu May 21, 2009, 07:10pm
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This is a NCAA-W mechanic and I have seen it done on the mens side as well.

You are a little late to the discussion.

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Old Thu May 21, 2009, 08:21pm
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This is a NCAA-W mechanic and I have seen it done on the mens side as well.
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You are a little late to the discussion.

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Yep, see post #11.
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Old Fri May 22, 2009, 09:58am
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Speaking of post #11, if the throw-in ends above the FT line extended is the T the only official who chops & below the FT line extended the T mirrors the L chop?
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Old Fri May 22, 2009, 09:59am
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Speaking of post #11, if the throw-in ends above the FT line extended is the T the only official who chops & below the FT line extended the T mirrors the L chop?

I doubt it -- both officials should chop
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Old Fri May 22, 2009, 10:13am
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Guess I heard wrong then

Can't remember where I heard that, but I think reasoning was, say if the throw-in ends near the division line or in the b/c, how would the L know when it ended if he/she were refereeing their PCA.

Could any of you who work NCAA-W tell me where to find clarification in the manual or post it here??
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Old Fri May 22, 2009, 11:19am
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Guess I heard wrong then

Can't remember where I heard that, but I think reasoning was, say if the throw-in ends near the division line or in the b/c, how would the L know when it ended if he/she were refereeing their PCA.

The same way T knows it's been touched if the throw-in ends in L or C's PCA -- peripheral vision.
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Old Fri May 22, 2009, 11:24am
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The same way T knows it's been touched if the throw-in ends in L or C's PCA -- peripheral vision.
Right! But the T should indeed be looking in the L direction when the ball goes towards the hoop. The L should not be marking 3s from the top of the key or calling b/c from the endline though.

Not trying to argue with what you're telling me, just want clarification.
ie; what page of the manual can one find this info??
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Old Fri May 22, 2009, 01:33pm
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No change for IAABO officials

IAABO is not adopting this change of calling official going table-side trail on shooting fouls. It will continue to have the officials switch on all fouls, with the trail going table opposite.
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Old Fri May 22, 2009, 01:37pm
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Where did you hear this info?
And is it just relative to your State?

Last year per IAABO we were supposed to have the calling official go opposite in 3 person, but our association decided to wait until the '10 season.
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Old Fri May 22, 2009, 01:43pm
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Where did you hear this info?
And is it just relative to your State?

Last year per IAABO we were supposed to have the calling official go opposite in 3 person, but our association decided to wait until the '10 season.
It came from Peterr Webb, who is the head IAABO interpreter and the author of the IAABO mechanics manual, in response to my email. He said IAABO is not changing. He also said IAABO has always been table-opposite on 3-person crews.

His exact words:"As of four years ago, IAABO has its own Crew of 2 & 3 manuals. The NFHS change will not be included within the IAABO manuals."

IAABO tries to standardize its mechanics among all IAABO boards, but local deviations remain common.
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Old Fri May 22, 2009, 01:48pm
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Thanks!
I wonder what we're going to do... worked a 2 gm set last night (2 person) & must've forgot to stay tableside at least 5 times
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