New mechanics changes for High school Basketball!

[181174]

Who will have the count on free throws now in 2 man? if the trail is at the 28 foot line on the 2nd freethrow and the lead is opposite of the table now, who is watching the free throw shooter? in 3 man I always seem a little out of the loop on freethrows when I am trail on the table side. Just wondering how this is going to work on 2 man, will the trail have to be at about 17 or 18 feet like we were across from the table? if not its going to have to be a serious closedown to get position to watch on rebounding action.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by 181174

Who will have the count on free throws now in 2 man? if the trail is at the 28 foot line on the 2nd freethrow and the lead is opposite of the table now, who is watching the free throw shooter? in 3 man I always seem a little out of the loop on freethrows when I am trail on the table side. Just wondering how this is going to work on 2 man, will the trail have to be at about 17 or 18 feet like we were across from the table? if not its going to have to be a serious closedown to get position to watch on rebounding action.

I do not think anything fundamental has changed in the coverage, the Trail is just table side. At least that is my take.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think anything fundamental has changed in the coverage, the Trail is just table side. At least that is my take.

For those who officiated in the 80s and early 90s, it's no big deal -- back then we always put the trail "on the left".

I wonder how this is going to play out -- will we switch depending on whether we're shooting or not? If so, this change is horrible. Just have the calling official become the trail all the time - whether tableside or not. Now, if it's the sixth foul we have to switch but if it's the seventh we don't? Silly. Just silly.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

For those who officiated in the 80s and early 90s, it's no big deal -- back then we always put the trail "on the left".

I wonder how this is going to play out -- will we switch depending on whether we're shooting or not? If so, this change is horrible. Just have the calling official become the trail all the time - whether tableside or not. Now, if it's the sixth foul we have to switch but if it's the seventh we don't? Silly. Just silly.

You're showing your age again!

As I read it, the two officials will continue to switch on all fouls as normal, except if it is a shooting foul and in that case the calling official always takes the Trail position.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You're showing your age again!

As I read it, the two officials will continue to switch on all fouls as normal, except if it is a shooting foul and in that case the calling official always takes the Trail position.

I just started young. I'm still south of 40. I won't be when I work my next game, though.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

For those who officiated in the 80s and early 90s, it's no big deal, back then we always put the trail "on the left".

I thought I was the only one who remembered doing that?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I thought I was the only one who remembered doing that?

When I first started working middle school games while in college, we did this.
by the time I started back up again a few years later, it was gone along with players entering the lane on the release.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Did you drive a Cadillac? When I first started working middle school games while in college, we did this. By the time I started back up again a few years later, it was gone along with players entering the lane on the release.

I believe that in my 28 years of using mostly NFHS mechanics, and more recently, IAABO mechanics, I have gone from foul shot lane rebounders leaving on the hit, changing to on the release, and now back to the hit. I keep waiting for it to change again. We already use the release for our high school private prep school games, I'm sure the public schools, and Catholic schools, will eventually follow suit.

And, yes, I do remember the Cadillac position, and I also remember working opposite. The trail was responsible to get us back to Cadillac from working opposite. Some partners weren't in a hurry as the trail, and other partners moved back to Cadillac within seconds. I guess working opposite was out of their comfort range.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I believe that in my 28 years of using mostly NFHS mechanics, and more recently, IAABO mechanics, I have gone from foul shot lane rebounders leaving on the hit, changing to on the release, and now back to the hit. I keep waiting for it to change again. We already use the release for our high school private prep school games, I'm sure the public schools, and Catholic schools, will eventually follow suit.

And, yes, I do remember the Cadillac position, and I also remember working opposite. The trail was responsible to get us back to Cadillac from working opposite. Some partners weren't in a hurry as the trail, and other partners moved back to Cadillac within seconds. I guess working opposite was out of their comfort range.

Billy:

I am remember working Cadillac. Welcome to the bald old geezers club, .

MTD, Sr.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

For those who officiated in the 80s and early 90s, it's no big deal -- back then we always put the trail "on the left".

I wonder how this is going to play out -- will we switch depending on whether we're shooting or not? If so, this change is horrible. Just have the calling official become the trail all the time - whether tableside or not. Now, if it's the sixth foul we have to switch but if it's the seventh we don't? Silly. Just silly.

You can't go tableside all the time because where the ball is being put back in play will dictate which side of the court you will be on with only two referees.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

You can't go tableside all the time because where the ball is being put back in play will dictate which side of the court you will be on with only two referees.

I know that.

My point is this -- I'm the trail tableside and I call a shooting foul. I stay trail, tableside (just as in 3-person).

If it's a non-shooting foul, I'm now expected to switch and become the L?

It's inconsistent and silly, but I expect that these days. At least I'll feel less guilty when I don't long switch going long 2-person next year since the whole "switch on every foul" mantra has just gone out the window.

[TrojanHorse]

From a coaching standpoint, I really liked the official on the table side. It really made it easy to as a quick question. I could ask and get an answer without a delay for the official to run to the other side. Here in Texas as already stated, the officials just closed down on the free throws. Looked the same to me. And if the official wanted to get away from the coach, he/she just walked 7-10 feet onto the court and take a different angle. Seemed much more convenient for all involved.

[zm1283]

The only thing I don't like about the mechanics changes is Lead going opposite the table in 2-man and table side in 3-man on free throws. That will take some getting used to.

[Drizzle]

Originally Posted by zm1283

The only thing I don't like about the mechanics changes is Lead going opposite the table in 2-man and table side in 3-man on free throws. That will take some getting used to.

Like others have said, this is what is already done in Texas. I know I've never had to do it a different way like you had to, but for me, that's one of the easier differences to remember for switching between two & three person mechanics. But yes, it's one more thing to remember.

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Just have the calling official become the trail all the time - whether tableside or not.

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

You can't go tableside all the time because where the ball is being put back in play will dictate which side of the court you will be on with only two referees.

And it wouldn't make sense for the calling official to always become the T (unless FTs are involved) because there would be no switch if the calling official is the T.