Traveling Rules Simplified

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

Can anyone simply explain some of the more complex points to remember about traveling? Specifically I have troubles with two plays: the jump stop and what is allowed to follow it; and the beginning of a dribble, I often miss violations where the pivot is picked up before the dribble begins. Maybe someone has some simple sayings or one liners that can help me visualize traveling and enforce the rules better.

1 -When a player is holding the ball, determine which foot is being used as the pivot.

If a dribble is started, that foot better be on the ground.

If the that is lifted, the player had better pass or shoot before it returns to the floor.

2- A player with the ball can jump off one foot and land simultaneously on both feet.

If he doesn't land simulataneously, it's traveling.

If he steps after landing, it's traveling.

If he jumps off both feet and lands with the ball, it's traveling. (This is the most missed jumpstop travel in my opinion)

If he gathers the ball while airborne, none of the 3 points above applies.

[tballump]

In the games I have watched, I knew good and well "both officials knew the traveling rule inside and out". However, the official that called all the obvious travels and the travels that 'looked funny' even though they were 'not' really travels by the book, came out smelling like a rose. All the coaches loved this official (because it makes their team look like they have committed a turnover due to their good defense), and as long as the official calls the 'funny looking' (but not true travels) travels both ways, they love him and want him for all their games.
Meanwhile the partner that called the regular travels, (but would not call the 'funny looking' travels that were not travels by the book), ends up calling the technical fouls on both coaches, both of whom want the ones that are not really travels, and has both coaches complaining to his superiors about what a horrible official he is and that he doesn't know the traveling rule. And guess who gets the better schedule. Oh darn, it ain't the guy that had to call the technicals and called the travels correctly, its the guy who knows they aren't travels either but calls them because they look funny and doesn't have to take the heat for a no call.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by tballump

In the games I have watched, I knew good and well "both officials knew the traveling rule inside and out". However, the official that called all the obvious travels and the travels that 'looked funny' even though they were 'not' really travels by the book, came out smelling like a rose. All the coaches loved this official (because it makes their team look like they have committed a turnover due to their good defense), and as long as the official calls the 'funny looking' (but not true travels) travels both ways, they love him and want him for all their games.
Meanwhile the partner that called the regular travels, (but would not call the 'funny looking' travels that were not travels by the book), ends up calling the technical fouls on both coaches, both of whom want the ones that are not really travels, and has both coaches complaining to his superiors about what a horrible official he is and that he doesn't know the traveling rule. And guess who gets the better schedule. Oh darn, it ain't the guy that had to call the technicals and called the travels correctly, its the guy who knows they aren't travels either but calls them because they look funny and doesn't have to take the heat for a no call.

Unfortunately stuff like this is true a large percentage of the time. Coaches don't know the rules. Coaches love officials who will let them walk all over them. Officials who have never given a T love to talk about it like it's some accomplishment, and would rather have a coach walk all over them and then "like them" rather than take care of business and not give a damn what the coach thinks.

Sorry, pet peeve of mine.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by tballump

In the games I have watched, I knew good and well "both officials knew the traveling rule inside and out". However, the official that called all the obvious travels and the travels that 'looked funny' even though they were 'not' really travels by the book, came out smelling like a rose. All the coaches loved this official (because it makes their team look like they have committed a turnover due to their good defense), and as long as the official calls the 'funny looking' (but not true travels) travels both ways, they love him and want him for all their games.
Meanwhile the partner that called the regular travels, (but would not call the 'funny looking' travels that were not travels by the book), ends up calling the technical fouls on both coaches, both of whom want the ones that are not really travels, and has both coaches complaining to his superiors about what a horrible official he is and that he doesn't know the traveling rule. And guess who gets the better schedule. Oh darn, it ain't the guy that had to call the technicals and called the travels correctly, its the guy who knows they aren't travels either but calls them because they look funny and doesn't have to take the heat for a no call.

Originally Posted by zm1283

Unfortunately stuff like this is true a large percentage of the time. Coaches don't know the rules. Coaches love officials who will let them walk all over them. Officials who have never given a T love to talk about it like it's some accomplishment, and would rather have a coach walk all over them and then "like them" rather than take care of business and not give a damn what the coach thinks.

Sorry, pet peeve of mine.

Now let's see how long this post lasts because I'm going to call the described behavior cowardly.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Now let's see how long this post lasts because I'm going to call the described behavior cowardly.

Wrong forum, chuckle-head.

[Nevadaref]

Hey, my fan is back.

[w_sohl]

I see guys that are supposed to be tops in our association call travels on bobbles all the time. Drives me nuts, kid never has control and it gets whistled. The coaches don't complain because they don't know the rule. I ask what they had and they always say he had control when it is plain for anyone to see he didn't. I just want to slap them sometimes...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Unfortunately stuff like this is true a large percentage of the time. Coaches don't know the rules. Coaches love officials who will let them walk all over them. Officials who have never given a T love to talk about it like it's some accomplishment, and would rather have a coach walk all over them and then "like them" rather than take care of business and not give a damn what the coach thinks.

Sorry, pet peeve of mine.

I really disagree with this. I think coaches try certain officials to see if they can get away with stuff or see how you will react. Once coaches realize that you are not a push over, they will adjust if they know better.

Peace

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I really disagree with this. I think coaches try certain officials to see if they can get away with stuff or see how you will react. Once coaches realize that you are not a push over, they will adjust if they know better.

Peace

You're not getting my point. Coaches will adjust to officials who won't put up with garbage from them. But, when they get officials who let them scream in their ear and make statements and not ask questions, they walk all over them. Consequently, they like those officials working their games because they know they can get away with anything they want without the said official doing anything about it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

You're not getting my point. Coaches will adjust to officials who won't put up with garbage from them. But, when they get officials who let them scream in their ear and make statements and not ask questions, they walk all over them. Consequently, they like those officials working their games because they know they can get away with anything they want without the said official doing anything about it.

You are right, I did miss the point. Because I really do not see what calling traveling in itself has to do with coach's complaining? I really think traveling is called because it is not easy to always call and people call things because it looks funny. I really do not think it is much more complicated than that. I see obvious travels called and obvious travels missed. I do not think it has much to do with what coaches or fans say at all. It comes down to the ability of the officials to have judgment just like most fouls that are called in a game.

Peace

[refguy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You are right, I did miss the point. Because I really do not see what calling traveling in itself has to do with coach's complaining? I really think traveling is called because it is not easy to always call and people call things because it looks funny. I really do not think it is much more complicated than that. I see obvious travels called and obvious travels missed. I do not think it has much to do with what coaches or fans say at all. It comes down to the ability of the officials to have judgment just like most fouls that are called in a game.

Peace

So who were the Final Four officials?