Rules changes Posted

[Adam]

Originally Posted by shishstripes

What about the last of the edited rules:
Clarified that a player occupying a marked lane space must have one
foot positioned near the outer edge of the free-throw lane line with the
other foot positioned anywhere within the designated 36 inch lane space.

One foot forward and one foot back? Why? Am I reading this right?

That's not an edit, it's a rule change and I don't like it. It's designed, I'm sure, to slow down the reverse pivot move from the second spot.

1. I wish they'd quit hiding rule changes as editorial changes.
2. This is too nitpicky, IMO.

[rockchalk jhawk]

Rough play isn't a POE this year? Isn't this the first year in quite a few (i seem to remember it from at least the last 3 or 4) that it hasn't been a POE?

[Adam]

Maybe it is, but they can't list it in the changes.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by rockchalk jhawk

Rough play isn't a POE this year? Isn't this the first year in quite a few (i seem to remember it from at least the last 3 or 4) that it hasn't been a POE?

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Maybe it is, but they can't list it in the changes.

But they can AND DO list the POEs just below the changes. What page were you looking at?

2009-10 POINTS OF EMPHASIS
1. Traveling
2. Closely guarded
3. Three-seconds
4. Block/Charge
5. Free-throw administration

[rockchalk jhawk]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

But they can AND DO list the POEs just below the changes. What page were you looking at?

2009-10 POINTS OF EMPHASIS
1. Traveling
2. Closely guarded
3. Three-seconds
4. Block/Charge
5. Free-throw administration

Exactly. So back to my original question. When was the last time rough play WASN'T a POE?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by rockchalk jhawk

Exactly. So back to my original question. When was the last time rough play WASN'T a POE?

2006-07 Points of Emphasis
1. Concussions
2. Uniforms
3. Time-outs
4. Intentional Fouls (did NOT mention "rough play" in the paragraph)
5. Rules Enforcement/Proper Signal Use


Prior to that 2004-05 when the POEs were:
1. Closely Guarded
2. Time-out Administration
3. Legal Player Positioning
4. Specific Unsporting Acts


Bet you were thinking that it had been a lot longer than that, huh?

[rockchalk jhawk]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

2006-07 Points of Emphasis
1. Concussions
2. Uniforms
3. Time-outs
4. Intentional Fouls (did NOT mention "rough play" in the paragraph)
5. Rules Enforcement/Proper Signal Use


Prior to that 2004-05 when the POEs were:
1. Closely Guarded
2. Time-out Administration
3. Legal Player Positioning
4. Specific Unsporting Acts


Bet you were thinking that it had been a lot longer than that, huh?

I was, but now that you mention all of this, I'm pretty certain I was getting it confused with NCAAM where I'm positive rough play has been a POE for a number of years straight. But I thought we'd talked about it recently in HS as well also.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

But they can AND DO list the POEs just below the changes. What page were you looking at?

2009-10 POINTS OF EMPHASIS
1. Traveling
2. Closely guarded
3. Three-seconds
4. Block/Charge
5. Free-throw administration

I was being facetious.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

That's not an edit, it's a rule change and I don't like it. It's designed, I'm sure, to slow down the reverse pivot move from the second spot.

1. I wish they'd quit hiding rule changes as editorial changes.
2. This is too nitpicky, IMO.

This doesn't say that you have to put the other foot back -- just that one foot has to be near the line.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Brad

This doesn't say that you have to put the other foot back -- just that one foot has to be near the line.

I know, and that's a change in the rule that i don't particularly like.

[Nevadaref]

The NFHS changes were posted this morning. They weren't up last night. I looked.
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My thoughts:

"During state championship series contests,..."

What does that mean? Does the inclusion of the word series mean that every postseason game gets included in this rule because they are all part of the series which leads to the state championship game?

Is it only the final X number of teams that gather at the last playing site? Some states bring 16 teams to one location, some only eight, mine only four, and probably some just match the final two somewhere.

I wish that the NFHS has specified ONLY the State FINAL.

Also, I agree with Snaqs about the FT lane space foot placement (9-1-3g). Why place some arbitrary restriction on these players that is difficult to enforce consistently. How near is near? Two inches? One foot? Six inches?

That is clearly a new ruling and not an editorial change. Does the FT shooter also have to put at least one foot near the FT line when attempting the try or can he stand back near the top of the semi-circle?

BTW it looks as if someone finally took note of my posts about players in marked lane spaces being able to touch the floor inside the lane with their hands as long as their feet remain outside of the boundary and within the marked lane space. Being in push-up position along the lane is now illegal.
Is there any doubt that my mind was responsible for someone proposing 9-1-3d?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

NFHS 2008-09 R9-S1-3g: "A player occupying a marked lane space may not have either foot beyond the vertical plane of the outside edge of any lane boundary, or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (2 inches by 36 inches) designated by a lane-space mark or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (12 inches by 36 inches) designated by a neutral zone."


NFHS 2009-10 R9-S1-3g: Clarified that a player occupying a marked lane space must have one foot positioned near the outer edge of the free-throw lane line with the other foot positioned anywhere within the designated 36 inch lane space.


This change is just absolute nonsense.

MTD, Sr.

[26 Year Gap]

I guess they listened to the fans. 3 seconds is a POE.

[Kelvin green]

Of all the things....

You think they would look at the things that actually make a difference in the game?

I'm impresses that we can use the red light...

Now what the Heck did I miss? Where did this imaginary rectangle come from that is only an editorial change?

I never knew that a person left the lane space when they touched outside the lane space... what the heck does leaving the lane space mean?

You know I have watched and refereed basketball for a long time, although I have no clue what means foot near outer edge means, it is a 36in deep space. is that 4 inches? is it 6 inches? is it 12?... I cant recall how long it has been since I have seen someone stand back from the FT line so far that this would be an issue (and then who cares)

Lets fix the things that need to be really fixed...

Although there are no explanatons for the POE I can just see the one liners

Travelling- Jump stops mean both feet land together and when a player catches the ball with both feet on the ground and the player hops and lands with both feet again it is a travel.

Closely Guarded means 6 feet not three....includes both dribbling and holding the ball, there is no such thing as he has to be out playing aggessive defens to have a count


Three seconds- refs have to learn to count to 3 and we dont care if a person is straddling the FT line, one foot in the lane for more than 3 seconds gains an advantage

Block Charge- the defensive player does not have to be set- Not every blco charge is a block-do not penalize good defense because the offense it out of control

FT administration Lets see we shoot one shot/one and one/ or two... they palyers line up and they cant delay But gee that would be a delay of game thing... Maybe it is because we dont bouce the ball high enough, or what... Maybe there are some areas but is this worth the ink it is written on or what did I miss?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by shishstripes

Edited Rule: Clarified that it is a lane violation when you contact the floor, not when the plane has been broken.

That's not a clarification, that's a rule CHANGE.

A player occupying a marked lane space may not have either foot beyond the vertical plane of the outside edge of any lane boundary, or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space

Originally Posted by Brad

This doesn't say that you have to put the other foot back -- just that one foot has to be near the line.

What is near? One inch? Six inches? An incomplete rule CHANGE.