pivot foot: drag vs lift

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I don't think you get it. The remark is supposed to point out that nobody advances just because they're really good at calling traveling.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by refguy

The problem with these guys is that they've ignored it for so long they don't know how to call it. The National Coordinator made it a point of emphasis during the season and I've seen more whistles on non-travels than ever before. Yes it does take tremendous work to get better at being able to referee the defense and still see the travels, but it can be done. The best way is to move to get better position to be able to see it all. IMO, that's the main reason a lot of those guys don't pick it up - because they're out of position and many are too slow to get there consistently.

I will say this again as I have said it before. I love how people are sitting at home on their couch, and they can call the game better with a DVR, then a beer in their hand. There is no doubt that travels are missed in these games, but we miss them to at all levels. At least some of these travels are things that look funny and we only know by a replay. I see officials often call travels on things that looked funny similar to the things BillyMac posts on this site (you do not need to do it again Billy ). To say they simply ignore traveling is not only false, but not accurate considering there were several called in the tournament.

Peace

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I don't think you get it. The remark is supposed to point out that nobody advances just because they're really good at calling traveling.

Thanks mbyron, im pretty sure i got it. I also get that a missed call is a missed call, it still goes down on the paper as a IC or NCI regardless of the type of call.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by rsl

The definition of travel says

"The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the floor..."

When a dribbler stops too fast, it is often the case that he will drag the pivot
some distance without actually lifting it from the floor. I call this a travel.

It also happens that players lift the heel of the pivot foot and pivot on the toes. If they shift their body too much, it is easy in this case that they drag the pivot foot with the toes touching the floor. I usually call this a travel.

When, under pressure, a player spins back and forth rapidly on the pivot foot, the pivot foot usually moves slightly on the floor. I rarely call this a travel.

How much does the pivot foot have to move, without lifting, to be a travel?

Don't forget to consult the definition of PIVOT in 4-33.

"...the pivot foot, is kept at its point of contact with the floor."

That is what makes dragging illegal. Now how tightly you wish to enforce that rule is up to you. Most people will penalize if the movement is illegal AND the player gains an unfair advantage from it.

[rsl]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Don't forget to consult the definition of PIVOT in 4-33.

"...the pivot foot, is kept at its point of contact with the floor."

That is what makes dragging illegal. Now how tightly you wish to enforce that rule is up to you. Most people will penalize if the movement is illegal AND the player gains an unfair advantage from it.

Thanks. This is what I was looking for- I wasn't sure what made the drag illegal. I also like the comments from JRutledge that you don't want to be the only one in the gym that sees it and from Mregor that "You don't want traveling to be your best call."

This forum is great! As much as I would like to solve the worlds social problems, I enjoy it a lot more when we stick to basketball.