African American Officials in the NCAA Tourney

Their conclusion was that minorities in general were only slightly underrepresented and but blacks were substantially overrepresented based on the local population and the company needed to hire more Hispanics and Asians and fewer blacks. Needless to say, the group that filed the grievance was a bit upset with the result

{wow} When will we understand the difference between those forced to be/born an American & those who come here of their own free will? Helluva difference...

[ref2coach]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

{wow} When will we understand the difference between those forced to be/born an American & those who come here of their own free will? Helluva difference...

No one is forced to be/stay an American. This Country has no impediments to leaving. A person who believes that their God given rights can be better realized elsewhere have the freedom to act on that belief.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by ref2coach

No one is forced to be/stay an American. This Country has no impediments to leaving. A person who believes that their God given rights can be better realized elsewhere have the freedom to act on that belief.

When are we going to get rid of these labels? I don't refer to myself as an African American because I've never been to Africa. As a matter of fact, my ancestors may have been here before some people referred to as Caucasians. Doesn't that make me more of an American than them? Where is the term European American? I would think that would be more PC.

As time goes by, those boundaries are being broken down because more people are mixed.

Originally Posted by ref2coach

No one is forced to be/stay an American. This Country has no impediments to leaving. A person who believes that their God given rights can be better realized elsewhere have the freedom to act on that belief.

That's classic, coach! You're basically saying "go back to Africa" without saying it
For one, it would be hard to go back to where you've never been. Secondly, it would be tough to be accepted there, seing how we were stripped of our language, culture, religion & so forth.
Too Americanized.

What I was saying is, based upon this:

Quote:
Their conclusion was that minorities in general were only slightly underrepresented and but blacks were substantially overrepresented based on the local population and the company needed to hire more Hispanics and Asians and fewer blacks. Needless to say, the group that filed the grievance was a bit upset with the result.

While I believe in Freedom, Justice & Equality for ALL. Hispanics & Asians still have their own countries, still speak their own languages, still have their culture & religions and most importantly made the descision to come to America. Blacks who live here (for the most part) don't have those choices.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

That's classic, coach! You're basically saying "go back to Africa" without saying it
For one, it would be hard to go back to where you've never been. Secondly, it would be tough to be accepted there, seeing how we were stripped of our language, culture, religion & so forth.
Too Americanized.

What I was saying is, based upon this:

Quote:
Their conclusion was that minorities in general were only slightly underrepresented and but blacks were substantially overrepresented based on the local population and the company needed to hire more Hispanics and Asians and fewer blacks. Needless to say, the group that filed the grievance was a bit upset with the result.

You might want to check your world history before you make the following claims....

Originally Posted by Ch1town

While I believe in Freedom, Justice & Equality for ALL. Hispanics & Asians still have their own countries,

Are you really sure about that? Just because there are countries that speak Spanish doesn't mean their culture or heritage is still there.

I see you're not too familiar with the history of Vietnam, Cambodia, India, China or any other Asian country.

Originally Posted by Ch1town

still speak their own languages, still have their culture & religions

Do you really think their original language was Spanish? I sure hope not...it was forced upon them by the Spaniards. There original languages are largely gone in the world....they sure don't know them.

Do you really think India would be is what it is without the British occupation? Would they even speak English at all or be Christian?

Do you think Vietnam or half of the far east chose to be overrun by China and/or Communism? The Vietnamese refugees had a choice?

Do you know how the Vietnamese alphabet came to be? Forced on them by the French since the French didn't want to understand their original alphabet.

Do you really think that most Hispanics were always Catholic? Again, no, it was forced upon them by the Spaniards/Catholics. (Read up on Aztecs, Mayans, Incas, etc.)

Originally Posted by Ch1town

and most importantly made the decision to come to America.

Are you really sure about that? Many of the "Mexicans" were here before it was part of the US. In fact it was part of Mexico when they were here and we took the land. Some that are "here" are only coming to a land that was once theirs.

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Blacks who live here (for the most part) don't have those choices.

So, what you're saying is that its OK to discriminate against non-black minorities in favor of blacks since they have an alternative?

What it boils down to is that reality and truth is usually between the point of views and not entrily as any one biased point of view perceives it to be.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

{wow} When will we understand the difference between those forced to be/born an American & those who come here of their own free will? Helluva difference...

I'm not talking about illegal aliens here. We're talking about legal citizens. Whatever the reason someone is here (legally) they should all be treated equally and fairly. In fact, you could make arguments invoiving how the west coast was really Mexican at one time and the US took it and all the things that would imply about Mexican Americans.

Plus, I don't think any blacks have been forced to be/born an American in over 150 years...all long since dead. Those here today have just as much freedom to leave as to stay.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I'm not talking about illegal aliens here.

Neither am I

We're talking about legal citizens. Whatever the reason someone is here (legally) they should all be treated equally and fairly.

Concur

In fact, you could make arguments invoiving how the west coast was really Mexican at one time and the US took it and all the things that would imply about Mexican Americans.

You could make more arguments than that sir. One could make the argument that wherever Caucasians go, so does their (legal) gangbanging tactics ie; theft, dope dealing, murder, etc. But that's another story

Plus, I don't think any blacks have been forced to be/born an American in over 150 years...all long since dead. Those here today have just as much freedom to leave as to stay.

Yet you & your children still benefit from the hard work, blood, sweat & tears of all those deaths

So if you were held captive for hundreds of years & after being brainwashed, demoralized, losing everything you know & picking up your masters bad habits in the process, then freed to live among your master as an equal... where would you possibly go????

The more some of you post the more we see why this is a problem! Yep some of you are telling on yourselves & the funny (sad) thing about is that you don't even know

[dsqrddgd909]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

So if you were held captive for hundreds of years & after being brainwashed, demoralized, losing everything you know & picking up your masters bad habits in the process, then freed to live among your master as an equal... where would you possibly go????

The more some of you post the more we see why this is a problem! Yep some of you are telling on yourselves & the funny (sad) thing about is that you don't even know

What is/are the solution(s)? I see racism most days, if not every day. What do you propose we do as a society? Is there anything that is going to make up for slavery?

CR, I could care less about all of those countries & their people... it doesn't affect ME. See how well I learned from the best

I love how you pick & choose what to address

I wouldn't want to address the following either if I were you:

1. You could make more arguments than that sir. One could make the argument that wherever Caucasians go, so does their (legal) gangbanging tactics ie; theft, dope dealing, murder, etc. But that's another story

2. Yet you & your children still benefit from the hard work, blood, sweat & tears of all those deaths

3. So if you were held captive for hundreds of years & after being brainwashed, demoralized, losing everything you know & picking up your masters bad habits in the process, then freed to live among your master as an equal... where would you possibly go????

Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909

What is/are the solution(s)? I see racism most days, if not every day. What do you propose we do as a society? Is there anything that is going to make up for slavery?

I have no solutions or proposals, it's every man for himself & I'm getting mine. That's the American way & probably not...

[ref2coach]

What is the solution?

In College Soccer officiating the push for diversity has resulted in Female and/or Minority referees being able to go to the pre-season NISOA camp on a full scholarship simply by indicating on the application that they are a minority. A non minority camper can not get a full scholarship unless they have secured written recommendations from current "National Referees" (Big Dogs), and/or conference assignor, and is not automatically granted.

Local referee associations are "encouraged" to subsidize or arrange free assessments which non-minority referees are required to pay $80 or 1/2 of the game fee whichever is higher to the certified assessor.

I firmly believe in non discrimination and equal opportunity. I also believe that reverse discrimination is wrong especially when I am forced to financially subsidize it.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by ref2coach

I firmly believe in non discrimination and equal opportunity. I also believe that reverse discrimination is wrong especially when I am forced to financially subsidize it.

If you really feel this way then you should really be in favor of equal opportunity and affirmative action. Those things exist for a reason and the argument against them would only seem to prolong it.

See, I don't know of anyone who can say racism and/or discrimination doesn't exist. Someone was thoughtful enough to put certain mechanisms in place to combat this. For the people who would want to do things fairly, the argument shouldn't be with those discriminated against, it should be those doing the discriminating. Flush them out and tell them, "Would you knock this off? Your actions are costing me!"

People who do this should be social outcasts. Sure, it will never happen because many of these people, and their friends, are in positions of power. But still the argument may be directed at the wrong group because we know this is real.