Major upset in women's tourney

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

Jeff, I'm not saying this to start an argument, and I'm not even going to try to talk you into having any interest in women's ball. You can dislike it as much as you want to. But you did say that there aren't as many upsets in women's ball as in men's, so I just need to point out that...

Today the "Lady Vol's" (as the women's team from Tennessee is known) lost to Ball State from Muncie, Indiana. It was Ball State's first time ever in the tournament, and the first year ever that Tennessee didn't advance past the first round. I call that an upset!!

Here's a link just in case anyone's interested.

Ball State vs. Tennessee - Recap - March 22, 2009 - ESPN

I was hoping Testicle Tech would beat the Lady Vols. Jeff is right though, the women's tourney pretty much stays true to seeds. There is just a huge drop in the talent level from the eliets to the really goods and so on.

[refguy]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

I was hoping Testicle Tech would beat the Lady Vols. Jeff is right though, the women's tourney pretty much stays true to seeds. There is just a huge drop in the talent level from the eliets to the really goods and so on.

Huh? Really?!?
Have you taken a look at the men's bracket. Every single 1,2, and 3 seed advanced to the sweet sixteen. Looks very top heavy to me on the men's side.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by refguy

Huh? Really?!?
Have you taken a look at the men's bracket. Every single 1,2, and 3 seed advanced to the sweet sixteen. Looks very top heavy to me on the men's side.

Actually last year was the first time that all #1 seeds made the Final Four since there has been the current seeding format. Usually 2 or 3 of the top seeds get knocked off. #2 seeds often get beat in the second or third rounds. Seeds #5 and #7 have historically not made it out of the first round in the men's tournament. And #2 seeds have been beaten in the first round in previous years. I would not suggest that it is always top heavy on the men's side. Of course many teams that are higher seeds are going to advance, but it not uncommon for them to get beat early either. I do not think the same can be said for the women's tournament and multiple teams have gone undefeated the entire year. That has not happen on the Men's side since the old UCLA teams with Wooden as the coach.

Peace

[refguy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Actually last year was the first time that all #1 seeds made the Final Four since there has been the current seeding format. Usually 2 or 3 of the top seeds get knocked off. #2 seeds often get beat in the second or third rounds. Seeds #5 and #7 have historically not made it out of the first round in the men's tournament. And #2 seeds have been beaten in the first round in previous years. I would not suggest that it is always top heavy on the men's side. Of course many teams that are higher seeds are going to advance, but it not uncommon for them to get beat early either. I do not think the same can be said for the women's tournament and multiple teams have gone undefeated the entire year. That has not happen on the Men's side since the old UCLA teams with Wooden as the coach.

Peace

Wrong again. Try Indiana in 1976 being the last undefeated team and they went undefeated the previous year until the tourney.
Upsets in Women's Tourney:
7 ND 71
10 MINN 79

5 TENN 55
12 BALL 71

#11 MSU 71
#6 TEX 63

7 DEP 70
10 SDSU 76

5 XAV 59
12 GONZ 74

I should have taken my buddy's bet on this. He said he'd give me $100 bucks for each round further from the championship game Tennessee gets knocked out, with noone paying out if they lost the championship game. I would have had to pay him $500 if they won it all. This first round loss would have won $500 for me. I should have taken him on it because I knew Tenn wouldn't make it all the way! *smacking myself in the head till I bleed*

[JRutledge]

Wow, you got me by a few years. Wooden teams went undefeated in 72 and 73.

And the point being made is upsets happen every year in the Men's tournament. This is the first year ever that high seeds in multiple regions made it to the Sweet 16. All but one region has the 1, 2, 3 and 4 seeds advance. The other region had a 5 beat a 4 seed. That happens almost every year in women’s basketball or the final for has mostly top seeds. Not very common that a team not expected to make the Final Four or from a mid-major conference makes it to the Final Four or Regional Championship. If UConn wins the NC this year, it will be the 4th time in recent history that an undefeated team wins the NC. That has not come close to happening in over 30 years on the Men's side. And it never happened in the current seeding structure. When Wooden was doing it, they did not have to beat teams from other regions to make the Final Four.

Once again, very little talk about the actual games or plays, just a debate about relevance. If you have to talk about relevance and not the game, that proves the point I been making all along. And if you do not want people to comment in that way, just post a thread about the game and leave it at that.

Peace

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The other region had a 5 beat a 4 seed.

Thanks to my Boilermakers!!!!

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

Thanks to my Boilermakers!!!!

Stupid Boilermakers!

This is a huge upset in the Women's game. Good for Ball State. And Tenn will be back next year, I'm sure.

Rutledge - just quit reading any of the threads on Women's basketball. Every time someone posts something you have to turn it into your argument about relevance. Then you keep bringing the thread back to your argument aboaut relevance. If it isn't relevant to you, shut the he!! up and let others discuss it if they want to.

Again - congrats to Ball State.