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Originally Posted by JRutledge

Secondly, unlike you, I do not make statements based on only what I think; I make statements based on what I know. Just like you posted what you think a supervisor thinks, but obviously many of the things you cry about say never change. Players are still coming out onto the NCAA games with long sleeves and the official you hate the most is working the most prized assignments by a person you say has no integrity.

Just like you knew that those decisions were final, and that there's no going back and changing those decisions?

You thought you knew what they were going to do, but you didn't really know seeing that they did the opposite of what you said.

[Adam]

Rut based his opinion on past IHSA actions (backing the officials.) Blaming him for being wrong on this is just juvenile.

Question: Is it possible the official who made the call expressed to the IHSA that he'd like to have it back?

[JRutledge]

I am still waiting for the quote? Where did I say the IHSA would not, could not or would never change a official's decision? Just one quote, it should not be hard to do.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am still waiting for the quote? Where did I say the IHSA would not, could not or would never change a official's decision? Just one quote, it should not be hard to do.

I've already provided it in post #20 of this thread.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I've already provided it in post #20 of this thread.

Dude, you're looking for stuff.

Read the sentence (that you quoted) after the red. His qualifier is clear and sufficient here.

Good grief, your inner 19 year old is showing.

[turnit]

And here I thought that there were no trolls on the basketball forum. Must have escaped from the baseball forum.

[JRutledge]

This is from the IHSA Official's Handbook. Not something I decided to just say or pulled out of thin air.

For the purpose of by-laws 6.011 and 6.012, “Unsportsmanlike Conduct” will
include the following: fighting, verbal abuse or dissent directed toward an official or opponent, racial or ethnic slurs, profanity or obscene gestures, flagrant or violent fouls, taunting, trash-talking, or baiting, cheating, throwing or abusing equipment, physical intimidation or abuse of an official or opponent, and unauthorized leaving of the team bench area.

When a player or coach is ejected from a contest, he/she may not play or coach the rest of that contest. In addition, the ejected player or coach may not play or coach in the next interscholastic contest at that level of competition, whether held the same day or a subsequent day, and all other interscholastic contests at any level in the interim. If a coach or athlete is ejected from the last contest of a season, he/she may not coach or play in the first contest of the next interscholastic sport/activity in which the coach or player participates.
During a suspension for unsportsmanlike conduct coaches may not attend contests or travel with the team to and from contests for which they have been suspended.

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A full written description of the incident, utilizing the IHSA Special Report Form, must be mailed by the official to the principal of the ejected player or coach and the IHSA within 48 hours of the incident.
Schools are to set up administrative procedures to insure proper enforcement of the by-law. Failure to enforce the by-law will result in automatic forfeiture of all contests which the player or coach participates in until the required suspension is carried out.

Ejections for unsportsmanlike conduct are considered decisions of contest officials and will not be subject to appeal (by-law 6.033). Schools and the IHSA may assess additional penalties for unsportsmanlike conduct of players and coaches. Official, if you eject a player or coach this ejection is final. There is no changing of the decision during or after the contest. Therefore make sure that the ejection is warranted.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is from the IHSA Official's Handbook. Not something I decided to just say or pulled out of thin air.

For the purpose of by-laws 6.011 and 6.012, “Unsportsmanlike Conduct” will
include the following: fighting, verbal abuse or dissent directed toward an official or opponent, racial or ethnic slurs, profanity or obscene gestures, flagrant or violent fouls, taunting, trash-talking, or baiting, cheating, throwing or abusing equipment, physical intimidation or abuse of an official or opponent, and unauthorized leaving of the team bench area.

When a player or coach is ejected from a contest, he/she may not play or coach the rest of that contest. In addition, the ejected player or coach may not play or coach in the next interscholastic contest at that level of competition, whether held the same day or a subsequent day, and all other interscholastic contests at any level in the interim. If a coach or athlete is ejected from the last contest of a season, he/she may not coach or play in the first contest of the next interscholastic sport/activity in which the coach or player participates.
During a suspension for unsportsmanlike conduct coaches may not attend contests or travel with the team to and from contests for which they have been suspended.

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A full written description of the incident, utilizing the IHSA Special Report Form, must be mailed by the official to the principal of the ejected player or coach and the IHSA within 48 hours of the incident.
Schools are to set up administrative procedures to insure proper enforcement of the by-law. Failure to enforce the by-law will result in automatic forfeiture of all contests which the player or coach participates in until the required suspension is carried out.

Ejections for unsportsmanlike conduct are considered decisions of contest officials and will not be subject to appeal (by-law 6.033). Schools and the IHSA may assess additional penalties for unsportsmanlike conduct of players and coaches. Official, if you eject a player or coach this ejection is final. There is no changing of the decision during or after the contest. Therefore make sure that the ejection is warranted.

Peace

So, if a player is suspended only when unsportsmanlike conduct is involved, what are the details? Apparently in this case the first T was unsportsmanlike, but the second was not. So was this a suspension which was overturned or was the player not suspended in the first place, but that was just an assumption.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Read the sentence (that you quoted) after the red. His qualifier is clear and sufficient here.

If you notice, he likes to try to have his cake and eat it too. In one breath, he will make a declarative statement, then in the next say something to try and create an exception and thus leave himself an escape hatch. This way he can later claim to have been on whichever side of the fence that he chooses. Sorry, but that kind of double-talk doesn't do it for me. Anyone with any intelligence will see right through this shoddy debating technique.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by nevadaref

if you notice, he likes to try to have his cake and eat it too. In one breath, he will make a declarative statement, then in the next say something to try and create an exception and thus leave himself an escape hatch. This way he can later claim to have been on whichever side of the fence that he chooses. Sorry, but that kind of double-talk doesn't do it for me. Anyone with any intelligence will see right through this shoddy debating technique.

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