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Old Fri Mar 06, 2009, 10:35pm
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When can you have player control and no team control? This is for you nevada Not really, it's for everyone.
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Old Sat Mar 07, 2009, 12:23am
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When can you have player control and no team control? This is for you nevada Not really, it's for everyone.
Never. If player control exists, then by definition team control does as well per 4-12-2a.

By rule a player control foul can be committed following the release of a try by an airborne shooter, but even in that case there really isn't player control when the foul occurs.
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Old Sat Mar 07, 2009, 02:48am
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That's why I don't like the term player control foul.
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Old Sat Mar 07, 2009, 03:33am
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That's why I don't like the term player control foul.
Then all that you are saying is that you like the current NCAAM's rule and the previous NFHS rule better.

Are you aware that the HS rule used to not include the airborne shooter?
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Old Sat Mar 07, 2009, 07:11am
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4-12-1: A player is in control of the ball when he/she is holding or dribbling
a live ball inbounds. There is no player control when, during a jump ball, a jumper catches the ball prior to the ball touching the floor or a non-jumper, or during an interrupted dribble.

4-19-6: A player-control foul is a common foul committed by a player while
he/she is in control of the ball or by an airborne shooter.
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Old Sat Mar 07, 2009, 12:49pm
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Then all that you are saying is that you like the current NCAAM's rule and the previous NFHS rule better.

Are you aware that the HS rule used to not include the airborne shooter?
I did not know that. What was the reasoning for the change? Just curious. I have no real problem with the NFHS rule, it's just odd wording. I would like one signal for all offencive fouls though.
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Old Sat Mar 07, 2009, 10:20pm
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I did not know that. What was the reasoning for the change? Just curious. I have no real problem with the NFHS rule, it's just odd wording. I would like one signal for all offencive fouls though.
The word that I got from some long time vets was that too many officials were screwing up this play. They were incorrect counting or cancelling goals and failing to award bonus FTs at the opposite end because they didn't take a decent look at when the try was released compared to when the contact occurred.

Therefore, the NFHS chose to simplify it and just changed the rule so that the goal is always disallowed and FTs are never awarded. That made for consistent enforcement.
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I would like one signal for all offencive fouls though.
What is an offensive foul?
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