When does the ball become dead?

[M&M Guy]

NHref007 - welcome!

Assuming you are dealing with NFHS rules, 6-7-4 says the ball is dead when there is a player-control or team control foul. Since you said there is no team control during a shot, your instincts are correct that this doesn't make the ball dead. So, then we go to 6-7-7 that says the ball becomes dead when a foul occurs. However, there is the exception at the end of that section that says the ball does not become dead until after a try or tap ends, or the airborne shooter returns to the floor. (With other caveats as to whether time expires during that period, etc.)

So, your instincts are correct, and now you know where to find the backup in the rules.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

NHref007 - welcome!

Assuming you are dealing with NFHS rules, 6-7-4 says the ball is dead when there is a player-control or team control foul. Since you said there is no team control during a shot, your instincts are correct that this doesn't make the ball dead. So, then we go to 6-7-7 that says the ball becomes dead when a foul occurs. However, there is the exception at the end of that section that says the ball does not become dead until after a try or tap ends, or the airborne shooter returns to the floor. (With other caveats as to whether time expires during that period, etc.)

So, your instincts are correct, and now you know where to find the backup in the rules.

What if the foul by B2 on A2 happens after:

the shot is released by A1
the horn sounds
the shooter returns to the floor??

If I'm reading correctly the ball becomes dead in the exception listing when the shooter returns to the floor.

Is the foul on B2 ignored unless it is flagrant or intentional?

[WreckRef]

Originally Posted by Spence

What if the foul by B2 on A2 happens after:

the shot is released by A1
the horn sounds
the shooter returns to the floor??

If I'm reading correctly the ball becomes dead in the exception listing when the shooter returns to the floor.

Is the foul on B2 ignored unless it is flagrant or intentional?

The ball does not become dead until it is made or is missed. Because the horn sounded before the foul by B2, it is ignored unless intentional or flagrant.

If I am incorrect I'm sure multiple people will correct me.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by WreckRef

the shot is released by A1 - count it if it goes in, bonus for A2 if applicable or out of bounds spot nearest the foul.

the horn sounds - ignored unless intentional or flagrant

the shooter returns to the floor?? - irrelevant

For clarification, the 3 items I listed were the order that they all happened.

Explain to me what the part of the exception that says "or if the shooter returns to the floor" means and where it would come into play.

I realize that basket counts in the play I described. I'm just not sure if the foul by B2 is called.

[WreckRef]

Originally Posted by Spence

For clarification, the 3 items I listed were the order that they all happened.

Explain to me what the part of the exception that says "or if the shooter returns to the floor" means and where it would come into play.

I realize that basket counts in the play I described. I'm just not sure if the foul by B2 is called.

Oops, guess I misunderstood. I fixed my earlier post to answer your question.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Spence

What if the foul by B2 on A2 happens after:

the shot is released by A1
the horn sounds
the shooter returns to the floor??

If I'm reading correctly the ball becomes dead in the exception listing when the shooter returns to the floor.

Is the foul on B2 ignored unless it is flagrant or intentional?

No.

The ball is still live (the ball hasn't gone through the hoop), so it's a common foul. A2 shoots 1-1 (if in the bonus), or just add the foul to B's total and start the next quarter.