Sliding on kness

[RookieDude]

This may seem like a very simple question...

but, there were a few veteran officials with different opinions on the correct call.

Player A1 is dribbling the ball...and while dribbling falls to the floor on his knees.
No travel. (We all agreed on that)

But, after attaining floor status his momentum causes him to slide on both knees...he picked up his dribble after he started to slide, and he continued to slide for about another foot.
Travel?

One veteran said the player could have been going for a loose ball while sliding on his knees...kind of like getting a loose ball while sliding on his belly...and there would be no travel.

But, that same veteran said that since he had control of the ball after the dribble...and continued to slide, on his knees, it was a travel.

Is there a difference?...

What do you think the call is for both scenarios?

[Raymond]

Sliding on kness


I don't think Elliot would appreciate that.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Sliding on kness


I don't think Elliot would appreciate that.

HAHAHA! Nice!

[HoopsRefJunior]

Mark, how can you pivot on the left cheek when there is obviously more weight shifted on the right cheek?

[AKOFL]

I would say no travel in either one. The first is clear, the second i agree with the sit is just like sliding after gaining control of a loose ball. He went down legally and was sliding when he stopped his dribble momentum continued his slide, not walking on his knees. It's not like he was still walking after he stopped his dribble. Just my thoughts if they make any sence

[Adam]

No travel, the veteran has no rules to support his distinction.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No travel, the veteran has no rules to support his distinction.

Well, I can kinda see the point the vet makes.

4-44-5(B) is the case play - in it the player dives for a loose ball, then slides after gaining control. In RookieDude's play, the ball was never loose - the player was dribbling, fell to the knees while dribbling, then slid on the knees after picking up the dribble. How would that be different than a player who dribbles while running, picks up the dribble, then slides on his feet after picking up the dribble?

[bbcoach7]

player had possession and touched the floor with other than hand or foot sounds text book to me and I'm just a bottom feeder coach. There was no bobble, no tip or defletion --> just dribbling & falls to knees while controling the ball in hands. This gets called a travel around here every time, I'm very sure.

If dribbling and the ball keeps bouncing with no touch as the player falls to knees and slides, THEN gains control it would be legal, correct? As long as no attempt to get up or move to seated, or roll over?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bbcoach7

player had possession and touched the floor with other than hand or foot sounds text book to me and I'm just a bottom feeder coach. There was no bobble, no tip or defletion --> just dribbling & falls to knees while controling the ball in hands. This gets called a travel around here every time, I'm very sure.

If dribbling and the ball keeps bouncing with no touch as the player falls to knees and slides, THEN gains control it would be legal, correct? As long as no attempt to get up or move to seated, or roll over?

No, it's not traveling.

The player was dribbling and fell to the floor. So touching the floor with other than the hand or foot is not an issue.

He legally has to ball on his knees. His momentum caused him to slide. It's no different than diving, gaining control, and continuing to slide.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

How would that be different than a player who dribbles while running, picks up the dribble, then slides on his feet after picking up the dribble?

That's what I was wondering.

[Old_School]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Well, I can kinda see the point the vet makes.

4-44-5(B) is the case play - in it the player dives for a loose ball, then slides after gaining control. In RookieDude's play, the ball was never loose - the player was dribbling, fell to the knees while dribbling, then slid on the knees after picking up the dribble. How would that be different than a player who dribbles while running, picks up the dribble, then slides on his feet after picking up the dribble?

The player who picked up the dribble and then slid on his feet moved their pivot foot. A player sliding on his knees on the floor has no pivot foot.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by Old_School

The player who picked up the dribble and then slid on his feet moved their pivot foot. A player sliding on his knees on the floor has no pivot foot.

But you're not allowed to have ANY pivot knee...

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

But you're not allowed to have ANY pivot knee...

You can have a pivot cheek.

[Old_School]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

But you're not allowed to have ANY pivot knee...

Exactly. That's why it's not traveling to slide on your knees.