T or no T

[cardinalfan]

The F-Bomb is the magic word for me in basketball or baseball. Doesn't matter if it is a coach, player or fan. Doesn't matter if it is directed at me.
I remember one time I let it go because of the level of play, the fact that I thought the whole conversation was hilarious, and I was the only one who heard it:

I tossed a kid in a NAIA baseball game a couple of years ago for dropping a F-bomb very loud in the form of a verb after I punched him out on strikes.
Coach runs out and asks, "What did he say?"
"He dropped the F-Bomb coach"
"You gotta be f***ing kidding? He said f***?"
"Yes, sir"
"OK. Thanks. I don't want that s**t on my team".

[jearef]

I'm gonna get it stirred up now.

Almost all of us are saying this is a "no-brainer" tech at the 11-year old level, which would imply that the same thing said at the high-school varsity level might not be penalized. The rules prohibit the use of profanity. The F-bomb is about as profane as it gets. So how do we justify a pass on this in a varsity game?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jearef

I'm gonna get it stirred up now.

Almost all of us are saying this is a "no-brainer" tech at the 11-year old level, which would imply that the same thing said at the high-school varsity level might not be penalized. The rules prohibit the use of profanity. The F-bomb is about as profane as it gets. So how do we justify a pass on this in a varsity game?

I agree with you, but I wouldn't get all Quixotic on this and go jousting windmills. If the folks in your area think it should be ignored, well....

FWIW, I'd T this up at the HS varsity level until I'm told to let it be; and I'm guessing I wouldn't be corrected around here.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by jearef

I'm gonna get it stirred up now.

Almost all of us are saying this is a "no-brainer" tech at the 11-year old level, which would imply that the same thing said at the high-school varsity level might not be penalized. The rules prohibit the use of profanity. The F-bomb is about as profane as it gets. So how do we justify a pass on this in a varsity game?

At the high school level, if I determine a player said it under his breath, directed at no one, I'm passing. I can't remember the last time I heard a varsity player drop an f bomb in one of my games.

Originally Posted by cardinalfan

I tossed a kid in a NAIA baseball game a couple of years ago for dropping a F-bomb very loud in the form of a verb after I punched him out on strikes.
Coach runs out and asks, "What did he say?"
"He dropped the F-Bomb coach"
"You gotta be f***ing kidding? He said f***?"
"Yes, sir"
"OK. Thanks. I don't want that s**t on my team".

I had to smile when I read this. Love the coach's contradictory approach. Reminds me of the baseball coach we had when I was in college. One time when he got ejected (and there were so many of those I couldn't count it on two hands), he left the field, and walked across the road (which runs near the field) and stood there to watch what he could of the game, and was still yelling the profanities loud enough some of us in the bleachers could hear him. Funny part was, there's a skeet range nearby, and every time someone took a shot over there, another profanity from coach's mouth. We were laughing so hard, because it was as if he was swearing everytime he was getting shot or something. He came back for the second game of the doubleheader, and was calm, but had an ashen look on his face when he realized the umpires knew why we were laughing.

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I don't care what the level of play there is only one thing that can happen:

WHACK!! FLAGRANT TECHNICAL FOUL

MTD, Sr.

If I had it to do over again, I'd go with a flagrant tech. It caught me by surprise.

This wasn't ordinary 11 y/o boys b-ball, it was a Biddy Basketball Regional Tournament, and teams came from MA, NY, NJ, and PA to this. So they were very good players and the level of intensity was more like a game with much older players. Even so, I know I should've penalized with at least a T, and since it was also used while addressing a child instead of just an expression of anger to himself, I think flagrant was the way to go.

Thanks all.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

Coach yells at player "It's a f---ing layup"

Which of these factors also make a difference?

Volume: All 10 players, his bench, and the scorers' table heard him. Fans were on opposite side, and they probably didn't.

Gender: Boys

Age: 11 & under

I passed then regretted it.

At minimum, it's a T. That includes high school. I would hope that college ball up here would T that up, but I can see if they don't.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

Coach yells at player "It's a f---ing layup"

Which of these factors also make a difference?

Volume: All 10 players, his bench, and the scorers' table heard him. Fans were on opposite side, and they probably didn't.

Gender: Boys

Age: 11 & under

I passed then regretted it.

Whack-a-rom-a!!!

[JBleach85]

Most definitely a T. I had a coach do that earlier this season that actually said that exact same thing and I had to give him the T. It is just one of those things at that level when everyone can hear you need to address it because after all we are there for the kids.