2009-2010 rule changes

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You don't call it because the rule is there.

Without it, some coach would have his player stand there for a couple of minutes so he could rest his players, have a mini-clinic with the other four players, glare at the officials, ...

My proposal: If there's a held ball (or any other reason to use the AP arrow) with 3 seconds or less to go in any quarter except the 4th, the team with the arrow can "decline" the posession and declare the quarter over. This prevents a team from getting a "wasted" AP posession near the end of a quarter, when they can't take advantage of the play.

Never entered my mind, good one.

[Texas Aggie]

I'll bring up the one I've suggested for the last 2 years: allow a team to "decline" a free throw penalty and accept a throw in instead (at the spot of the foul). This would cut down on fouling at the end of the game and, more importantly, keep the game moving through the last 2 minutes if there is a foul.

Remove the option of state associations to expand or delete the coaching box. Make it as written in Rule 1 for everyone. It isn't just to let coaches run free. Even though we (in Texas) have a 6 foot box (that UIL won't change), we generally allow the coaches to move down the bench to talk to their players. Technically, we shouldn't, but I feel strongly we should allow this. Besides, we have all kinds of court sizes and where the coach is or should be is often hard to determine. Under the Fed rule as written, it isn't.

[budjones05]

I'm surprise Mark didn't list no Overtime!! But anyway, I think time-outs should only be requested from a player on the court and not the coach. Also, I like to see pregames like the one is college where the players meet we go over the rules with them then we go and meet the coaches.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by budjones05

I'm surprise Mark didn't list no Overtime!!

So you didn't read the opening post?

[Mark Padgett]

Usually, when we have a post about NF rule changes, at least one person suggests allowing players along the FT lane to go in on the release. How do you guys feel about that?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Usually, when we have a post about NF rule changes, at least one person suggests allowing players along the FT lane to go in on the release. How do you guys feel about that?

I think they should wait till the ball hits the floor.

[NCAAREF]

Get rid of the 10 second back court count all together. You have a shot clock...who cares if they take 20 seconds to get the ball across half court? That rule was put in place before shot clocks were used to prevent the old 4 corner stall.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by NCAAREF

Get rid of the 10 second back court count all together. You have a shot clock...who cares if they take 20 seconds to get the ball across half court? That rule was put in place before shot clocks were used to prevent the old 4 corner stall.

I assume you're talking NCAA.

I'd like to see the coaching box rule expanded so that when the HC gets a DIRECT T, not only does he/she lose the box, but must wear a sign that says: "I'm a howler monkey and got whacked for it!"

[just another ref]

As fueled by discussion in another thread, add "official gives the ball to the wrong team" to the correctable error list. Although I have never seen this happen at a crucial point in any game, if it did, obviously the consequences could be huge.

[Texas Aggie]

I think you're attempting to solve a problem that is purely philosophical.

I brought these same things up last year and, I think, the year before. It was based on my experience in games, so 3 years of game experience is not "purely philosophical," although I think you meant, "hypothetical." I certainly don't claim to speak for your experience, so don't think that just because you haven't had this happen to you, it doesn't exist. Let me put it this way: due in large part to the increased physical nature of the game (and our reactions or lack thereof to it), I have had serious thoughts of whether I want to continue working basketball. I still love the game, but I hate where its going and from my perspective, if the committee doesn't get control of some of these issues (physical play, foul counts, game time, etc.), we're going to have some real problems down the road. While you may agree or disagree with my interpretation of these issues, but given that, does that sound like I'm presenting a hypothetical?

One thing I didn't mention that would help if the "decline" rule was put in was situations where the team ahead by 3 late would foul the opponent to keep them from hitting a 3 point shot. We've seen this a LOT (or at least, the attempts) over the last 3 years and coaches I've talked to think its essentially a required strategy.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

I brought these same things up last year and, I think, the year before. It was based on my experience in games, so 3 years of game experience is not "purely philosophical," although I think you meant, "hypothetical." I certainly don't claim to speak for your experience, so don't think that just because you haven't had this happen to you, it doesn't exist.

No, I meant philosophical in that I don't see it as a problem. You are right, though, in that my experience shouldn't be used as a blanket. Neither, however, should yours.

I don't see 2 or 3 extra fouls in 1 out of every 4 or 5 games as a problem. If you see it happen more often than that and more pronounced, maybe it's just your area.

Most teams I've had have gone to a more agressive steal attempt rather than purposefully fouling.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by just another ref

As fueled by discussion in another thread, add "official gives the ball to the wrong team" to the correctable error list. Although I have never seen this happen at a crucial point in any game, if it did, obviously the consequences could be huge.

I would like to see this added to CE list UNTIL a change of possession (caused by a try or turnover).

Further, I would like to see the CE modified to indicate that IF a team received a direct benefit from an erroneously awards inbounds (i.e. the team scored during that possession), the error of NOT awarding free throws would be ignored since the team already scored two/three points via the inbounds possession.

I would like to see players allowed to step into the lane on release --except for the FT shooter. I have never understood why we feel that there is any more "rough" play on a rebound when the shot is taken from 15' directly in front of the basket when the players are placed in a specific order rather than during ANY OTHER SHOTS on the court.

If we are going to keep three players along the lane, I would like to move the spaces down 18" from their current location (give the schools three or four years of lead time to handle the stripping/repainting of the lines). This would put the defending team slightly closer to the basket, but not as cfar as they are today. This would also allow for the reintroduction of the block in a meaningful position.

I would like to see the backcourt violation provisions modified to indicate that if the defending team makes contact with the ball, the backcourt provision would not apply until the team has gained PLAYER CONTROL with ALL THREE POINTS IN THE FRONTCOURT. In essence, this change would significantly decrease the number of last-touch-first-touch backcourt violations.

Modify the backcourt "exceptions" on throw-ins/jump balls to include all players UNTIL A PLAYER HAS ESTABLISHED PLAYER CONTROL. This modification would allow for an offensive player to catch the ball while in the air from frontcourt to backcourt to have the "exception" even if another offensive player or defensive player tipped the ball (thus, officially ending the throw-in and the exception). The same provisions would apply for the jump ball thus allowing a player to catch a tap by jumping from his/her frontcourt, catching the ball in the air and landing in the backcourt when the ball has either made contact with the floor (thus, ending the jump ball and its exception provisions) or an opponent (thus, ending the jump ball and its exception provisions). These provisions are the way 95% of the coaches THINK the rules are now, thus the change would actually only be a change for officials and 5% of the coaches.

Either allow any color of headband OR ONLY allow the primary color of the uniform (it is not fair that only the cream colored pre-wrap is legal -- make all pre-wrap colors legal or none of them legal UNLESS they match the uniform).

Either allow shooting sleeves -- with color provisions required -- OR completely disallow them. The medical "loophole" is big enough to drive any shooting sleeve through. Either prohibit them completely or simply allow them so long as they are the primary color of the uniform or white (this would allow one color for home/road combined).

Change delaying entry onto court into a violation instead of a technical foul (I like this idea as many others have suggested).

Expand the coaches box to 28'. Don't allow the coaches to complain any more than they do, but if they are coaching, let them stand where they would like.

I agree with Bob Jenkins' proposed change in concept, but would like to lessen the time. If there is less than the time to catch and shoot a shot, the team could pass (i.e. less than .3 seconds).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Either allow any color of headband OR ONLY allow the primary color of the uniform (it is not fair that only the cream colored pre-wrap is legal -- make all pre-wrap colors legal or none of them legal UNLESS they match the uniform).

This is not completely correct. All colors of pre-wrap are legal, they just have to match or fit the subscribed colors listed by the rulebook. But I have seen black, red, blue and tan pre-wrap.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Modify the backcourt "exceptions" on throw-ins/jump balls to include all players UNTIL A PLAYER HAS ESTABLISHED PLAYER CONTROL. This modification would allow for an offensive player to catch the ball while in the air from frontcourt to backcourt to have the "exception" even if another offensive player or defensive player tipped the ball (thus, officially ending the throw-in and the exception). The same provisions would apply for the jump ball thus allowing a player to catch a tap by jumping from his/her frontcourt, catching the ball in the air and landing in the backcourt when the ball has either made contact with the floor (thus, ending the jump ball and its exception provisions) or an opponent (thus, ending the jump ball and its exception provisions). These provisions are the way 95% of the coaches THINK the rules are now, thus the change would actually only be a change for officials and 5% of the coaches.

I like this, but think it could and should be done more thoroughly. It would also be simpler, just make the exception apply to all situations where team control gets established in the air.
Defense, throwin, after a throwin but before team control gets established, jump balls, rebounds.