2009-2010 rule changes

[just another ref]

As fueled by discussion in another thread, add "official gives the ball to the wrong team" to the correctable error list. Although I have never seen this happen at a crucial point in any game, if it did, obviously the consequences could be huge.

[Texas Aggie]

I think you're attempting to solve a problem that is purely philosophical.

I brought these same things up last year and, I think, the year before. It was based on my experience in games, so 3 years of game experience is not "purely philosophical," although I think you meant, "hypothetical." I certainly don't claim to speak for your experience, so don't think that just because you haven't had this happen to you, it doesn't exist. Let me put it this way: due in large part to the increased physical nature of the game (and our reactions or lack thereof to it), I have had serious thoughts of whether I want to continue working basketball. I still love the game, but I hate where its going and from my perspective, if the committee doesn't get control of some of these issues (physical play, foul counts, game time, etc.), we're going to have some real problems down the road. While you may agree or disagree with my interpretation of these issues, but given that, does that sound like I'm presenting a hypothetical?

One thing I didn't mention that would help if the "decline" rule was put in was situations where the team ahead by 3 late would foul the opponent to keep them from hitting a 3 point shot. We've seen this a LOT (or at least, the attempts) over the last 3 years and coaches I've talked to think its essentially a required strategy.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

I brought these same things up last year and, I think, the year before. It was based on my experience in games, so 3 years of game experience is not "purely philosophical," although I think you meant, "hypothetical." I certainly don't claim to speak for your experience, so don't think that just because you haven't had this happen to you, it doesn't exist.

No, I meant philosophical in that I don't see it as a problem. You are right, though, in that my experience shouldn't be used as a blanket. Neither, however, should yours.

I don't see 2 or 3 extra fouls in 1 out of every 4 or 5 games as a problem. If you see it happen more often than that and more pronounced, maybe it's just your area.

Most teams I've had have gone to a more agressive steal attempt rather than purposefully fouling.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by just another ref

As fueled by discussion in another thread, add "official gives the ball to the wrong team" to the correctable error list. Although I have never seen this happen at a crucial point in any game, if it did, obviously the consequences could be huge.

I would like to see this added to CE list UNTIL a change of possession (caused by a try or turnover).

Further, I would like to see the CE modified to indicate that IF a team received a direct benefit from an erroneously awards inbounds (i.e. the team scored during that possession), the error of NOT awarding free throws would be ignored since the team already scored two/three points via the inbounds possession.

I would like to see players allowed to step into the lane on release --except for the FT shooter. I have never understood why we feel that there is any more "rough" play on a rebound when the shot is taken from 15' directly in front of the basket when the players are placed in a specific order rather than during ANY OTHER SHOTS on the court.

If we are going to keep three players along the lane, I would like to move the spaces down 18" from their current location (give the schools three or four years of lead time to handle the stripping/repainting of the lines). This would put the defending team slightly closer to the basket, but not as cfar as they are today. This would also allow for the reintroduction of the block in a meaningful position.

I would like to see the backcourt violation provisions modified to indicate that if the defending team makes contact with the ball, the backcourt provision would not apply until the team has gained PLAYER CONTROL with ALL THREE POINTS IN THE FRONTCOURT. In essence, this change would significantly decrease the number of last-touch-first-touch backcourt violations.

Modify the backcourt "exceptions" on throw-ins/jump balls to include all players UNTIL A PLAYER HAS ESTABLISHED PLAYER CONTROL. This modification would allow for an offensive player to catch the ball while in the air from frontcourt to backcourt to have the "exception" even if another offensive player or defensive player tipped the ball (thus, officially ending the throw-in and the exception). The same provisions would apply for the jump ball thus allowing a player to catch a tap by jumping from his/her frontcourt, catching the ball in the air and landing in the backcourt when the ball has either made contact with the floor (thus, ending the jump ball and its exception provisions) or an opponent (thus, ending the jump ball and its exception provisions). These provisions are the way 95% of the coaches THINK the rules are now, thus the change would actually only be a change for officials and 5% of the coaches.

Either allow any color of headband OR ONLY allow the primary color of the uniform (it is not fair that only the cream colored pre-wrap is legal -- make all pre-wrap colors legal or none of them legal UNLESS they match the uniform).

Either allow shooting sleeves -- with color provisions required -- OR completely disallow them. The medical "loophole" is big enough to drive any shooting sleeve through. Either prohibit them completely or simply allow them so long as they are the primary color of the uniform or white (this would allow one color for home/road combined).

Change delaying entry onto court into a violation instead of a technical foul (I like this idea as many others have suggested).

Expand the coaches box to 28'. Don't allow the coaches to complain any more than they do, but if they are coaching, let them stand where they would like.

I agree with Bob Jenkins' proposed change in concept, but would like to lessen the time. If there is less than the time to catch and shoot a shot, the team could pass (i.e. less than .3 seconds).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Either allow any color of headband OR ONLY allow the primary color of the uniform (it is not fair that only the cream colored pre-wrap is legal -- make all pre-wrap colors legal or none of them legal UNLESS they match the uniform).

This is not completely correct. All colors of pre-wrap are legal, they just have to match or fit the subscribed colors listed by the rulebook. But I have seen black, red, blue and tan pre-wrap.

Peace

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Either allow any color of headband OR ONLY allow the primary color of the uniform (it is not fair that only the cream colored pre-wrap is legal -- make all pre-wrap colors legal or none of them legal UNLESS they match the uniform).

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is not completely correct. All colors of pre-wrap are legal, they just have to match or fit the subscribed colors listed by the rulebook. But I have seen black, red, blue and tan pre-wrap.

Peace

As JRut said, your impression of the headband rule is incorrect. Currently,

Headbands and wristbands must be white, black, beige or a single solid color similar to the torso of the jersey and must be the same color for each item and all participants.

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Although I haven't had much problem with this rule, I think that perhaps it could use some tweaking. I don't care what color the headband is, to be honest. It should be required that all the headbands for every individual is the same/similar. Make it simple.

-Josh

[Texas Aggie]

I don't see 2 or 3 extra fouls in 1 out of every 4 or 5 games as a problem.

If this were the problem, I wouldn't be on here. We have games where the team down starts fouling with 2 and 3 MINUTES left in the game. And its more than in 20% of the games -- more like 50-70%. Last year, a team down by 15 started fouling with about 2 minutes left, plus they'd saved their timeouts (which is fair enough), and the last few minutes of the game lasted close to 20-25 minutes. They damn near won, so coaches (at least around here) think this is a viable strategy.

I realize other ares may be different, but I don't think that's an argument against the idea itself. I propose a choice that may not be used in your area due to what you see in your games. But it sure would be used in mine.

[Mrcrash3]

Rule Changes
How about eliminating the long switch in two man mechanics

Without us its only recess

[Stat-Man]

Pie in the sky, but hey, I can dream like everyone else, right

1-17: Also include an 8 foot substitution box (a la the NBA) for substitutes to report to before they can enter a game.

2-11: Make the penalty for removing the official book from the table that of the NCAA.

4-10: Add language similar to NCAA to clarify that if an offensive player is between a player with the ball and the defensive player, No closely guarded situation exists.

4-12: Have team control match up with NCAA.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is not completely correct. All colors of pre-wrap are legal, they just have to match or fit the subscribed colors listed by the rulebook. But I have seen black, red, blue and tan pre-wrap.

Peace

JRut,
My point is that cream (black, white and primary uniform color) is singled out while a purple prewrap (worn by the home team -- even though their secondary color is purple) is illegal. Cream (and black and white) get a unique preferential treatment. The other colors must match a uniform.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

JRut,
My point is that cream (black, white and primary uniform color) is singled out while a purple prewrap (worn by the home team -- even though their secondary color is purple) is illegal. Cream (and black and white) get a unique preferential treatment. The other colors must match a uniform.

Beige was chosen because it is (or at least was) the most common color sold. This color was chosen so teams didn't have to buy special pre-wrap to be properly equipped. I'm sure the committee was looking out for the not well funded school districts in making this determination. It's really not a huge deal as long as all officials apply the rule correctly.

-Josh

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by jdmara

Beige was chosen because it is (or at least was) the most common color sold. This color was chosen so teams didn't have to buy special pre-wrap to be properly equipped. I'm sure the committee was looking out for the not well funded school districts in making this determination. It's really not a huge deal as long as all officials apply the rule correctly.

-Josh

Josh,
This issue was BY FAR THE biggest issue we had in pre-game of girls varsity games during the course of the season. MANY (decently-funded) schools had ONE COLOR of pre-wrap (the primary color of their ROAD uniform). It was an incredible hassle to make these girls take the head bands (that were really hair restraints, BUT went all the way around the head) off before the game. As the season went on, it got better, BUT, we still had teams during the last quarter of the season with wrong-colored pre-wrap. My point is that if the NFHS is concerned about costs when allowing "the most common color", why not just frickin allow the team's secondary color of pre-wrap?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Josh,
This issue was BY FAR THE biggest issue we had in pre-game of girls varsity games during the course of the season. MANY (decently-funded) schools had ONE COLOR of pre-wrap (the primary color of their ROAD uniform). It was an incredible hassle to make these girls take the head bands (that were really hair restraints, BUT went all the way around the head) off before the game. As the season went on, it got better, BUT, we still had teams during the last quarter of the season with wrong-colored pre-wrap. My point is that if the NFHS is concerned about costs when allowing "the most common color", why not just frickin allow the team's secondary color of pre-wrap?

Not a hassle for me. "Coach, those headbands are illegal." How hard was that?

Not even a hassle to explain the rule: "White, black, beige, or the primary uniform color; everyone must match."

People get their shorts knotted over all this, and I just don't get it. Do you whine so much about moving the players in the lane above the blocks? It's just a rule to enforce, and it's easier than it used to be. Sheesh.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Josh,
This issue was BY FAR THE biggest issue we had in pre-game of girls varsity games during the course of the season. MANY (decently-funded) schools had ONE COLOR of pre-wrap (the primary color of their ROAD uniform). It was an incredible hassle to make these girls take the head bands (that were really hair restraints, BUT went all the way around the head) off before the game. As the season went on, it got better, BUT, we still had teams during the last quarter of the season with wrong-colored pre-wrap. My point is that if the NFHS is concerned about costs when allowing "the most common color", why not just frickin allow the team's secondary color of pre-wrap?

Then is sounds like everyone in the area is not applying the rules consistently. There were a few schools around here that had trouble figuring out the headband rule but once it was a few weeks into the season, it wasn't an issue any longer..."Coach, you are not complaint with the headband rule. Please address that with your team".

-Josh

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

My point is that if the NFHS is concerned about costs when allowing "the most common color", why not just frickin allow the team's secondary color of pre-wrap?

How about the teams just get the correct color? Seems pretty simple.

What do you plan on doing when a team is wearing white uniforms with red and yellow trim...is red the secondary color or is it yellow?