"Coach do you need a tissue?"

[williebfree]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

.... " How is that not a jump ball?" ( I don't know, maybe because both players did not have position? ) "she's walking" ( No, she did a jump stop ) " How is that a foul at that end but not this end?" ( Uh because she didn't get fouled at this end?)

I got so sick of his crying ( oh and BTW, he was winning, even though it was only by 3 to 5 points ) I wanted to walk over to him and offer him a tissue....

I would have went over and told him I heard enough.

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

... cry about every call all night long. If they coached more and cried less, they might have a chance at winning more games. JMO.

You can help them, force them to focus on their players... Warn and Whack. Simple concept. I used to think giving more and more rope was the right thing, but experience has taught me "the sooner you take care of bidness" the better it will be for everyone.

[UNH IM Ref]

Originally Posted by williebfree

I would have went over and told him I heard enough.



You can help them, force them to focus on their players... Warn and Whack. Simple concept. I used to think giving more and more rope was the right thing, but experience has taught me "the sooner you take care of bidness" the better it will be for everyone.

If you are using the warn and whack method keep 2 things in mind: Using the language "if you continue then I'll T you up" lets a player or coach know they've gotten away with technical foul worthy behavior already. It also makes them feel like you are threatening them with the rules of the game... players and coaches at high levels know the rules and know what will draw a T.

We use the technical foul call to keep the game in control. Preventative officiating is a great tool but when something is done or said that warrants a T then the result should be a T 99.9% of the time. Threatening with a T doesn't give us the control that a real T does.

If we say "easy coach" or if we give the capt a brief heads up about player or coach behavior early on, I would argue that is all the warning we need to give.

Did I rant? Does this apply more to the intramurals I'm used to or do you all agree?

[Adam]

I agree not to use the language. It's unnecessarily confrontational, and it boxes you into a corner.
Warn: "Coach, that's enough."

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I agree not to use the language. It's unnecessarily confrontational, and it boxes you into a corner.
Warn: "Coach, that's enough."

-and give the visible "stop" sign so everyone in the gym knows the coach has been warned.

-and follow up with a T the next incident.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Forksref

-and give the visible "stop" sign so everyone in the gym knows the coach has been warned.

Disagree. Stop signs, if used, should be used with caution. I don't care if everyone in the gym knows he's been warned, as long as he knows and my partners know.

Last night, home coach is upset we're calling some light fouls, and during a free throw (in the first half) starts going on and on to his kids about how they can't touch them because the refs are calling touch fouls. I'm lead, glance over and he's about 3 feet from the endline.

I turn, "Coach, please get back into your box." That was his warning, and he got it; coached his kids the rest of the game.

Originally Posted by Forksref

-and follow up with a T the next incident.

Maybe, maybe not. If he rolls right through your warning, yes. If the next incident is very minor, probably not. That's why I don't want to say, "Next one..." and box myself in.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by UNH IM Ref

Using the language "if you continue then I'll T you up" lets a player or coach know they've gotten away with technical foul worthy behavior already.

Disagree. Although I wouldn't put it this way (I don't use conditionals to warn), the warning might be that the discussion has ended. If they get a T for continuing it, that doesn't show that they got away with something before the T.

[Terrapins Fan]

going to start a follow up thread about "T"'s

[UNH IM Ref]

That's true i suppose there is an amount of chatter we'll allow and a degree of chatter. I was more focused on the degree stuff, like cursing out the ref and not so much the amount of conversation, like how long a coach cries about a call... I'm less apt to warn in the former case than the ladder.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by UNH IM Ref

That's true i suppose there is an amount of chatter we'll allow and a degree of chatter. I was more focused on the degree stuff, like cursing out the ref and not so much the amount of conversation, like how long a coach cries about a call... I'm less apt to warn in the former case than the ladder.

I will not warn for cursing out the ref; regardless of level. It's unacceptable. You warn for this, you're just going to get more of it.

If coach is just crying about a call, he'd better let it go next time down the court.