Block/Charge call results in Floyd being ejected

[refguy]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Curious everyone's thoughts. It's about a 2:00 clip, and we don't get a replay until the end.

Looks like C may be getting ready to call a block when L comes hard with the PC.

Thoughts?

The call did not result in Floyd's ejection. His response to a close play and idiot behavior is what got him tossed. Whether or not it was a good call is irrelevant. If you watched the end of the UCLA-ASU game, the official called a pc on Collison when it should have been a block and a good basket, putting UCLA up by one and the nation's leading FT shooter at the line. Did you see him react like Hackett or Howland get tossed? Adult behavior is recommended here.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by refguy

The call did not result in Floyd's ejection. His response to a close play and idiot behavior is what got him tossed.

Excellent point - much more appropriately worded than my original post.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Tim Floyd is an IDIOT!

A charging foul was the correct call. Who had the primary call is difficult one because the drive started in the T's primary, the secondary defender, who drew the charge, moved into a LGP from the C's primary, and the foul occured right smack in the geometric center of the free throw lane.

Based upon the location of the other players on the court I doubt if the T could see the secondary defender move into a LGP and therefore should not have a whistle on this play. The play has to be covered by the C and the L, and I really do not see how anything but a charge could be called by either the C or the L. The C never signaled what type of foul, but as an evaluator, I would want the C to make the final call on this play and not the L.

MTD, Sr.

[buckrog64]

I agree that Floyd needs to learn to keep his cool. He does his team no good by being sent to the locker room and the refs sure didn't waste any time bouncing his sorry behind. This call may have been the proverbial straw in Floyd's mind; we don't see what all happened up to this point. That being said, a good coach needs to keep his cool. Blowing up like that is no help at all.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by buckrog64

I agree that Floyd needs to learn to keep his cool. He does his team no good by being sent to the locker room and the refs sure didn't waste any time bouncing his sorry behind. This call may have been the proverbial straw in Floyd's mind; we don't see what all happened up to this point. That being said, a good coach needs to keep his cool. Blowing up like that is no help at all.

The problem is, this was at worst a missed close call. Floyd seems insistent that the C called (not "was going to call," but "called') a block. Even if he was right, best case scenario for him is a double foul, for which his only benefit would be a throwin and one more team foul for his opponent. But the C did not call a block. C had his fist up, that was it.

[JRutledge]

I have a PC foul. It looks like the contact took place before/as the player was going airborne. I have no problem with the call and the ball handler had no where to go. I am giving the benefit of the doubt to the defender in this situation.

Peace

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by jeffpea

The C did not signal a block at any time....if you feel he did, watch the video again....

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You have no idea what the C was going to call; great job by the officials. I also think it's a great charge. Defender was there just in time, before the dribbler went airborne.

It looked to me when I watched it the first time that he started to signal a block, albeit VERY slightly, with his left arm. The announcers (I know they're full of it...you don't have to remind me) also say something about how they thought he started to signal a block.

I'm not defending Floyd at all. He's obviously an idiot. As for the call, I think they got it right after watching several times.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by zm1283

As for the call, I think they got it right after watching several times.

As long as you're not blindly defending the officials, right?

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Welpe

As long as you're not blindly defending the officials, right?

Nope, if I think they screw up, I'll say it.

NCAA basketball isn't fixed like the NFL anyway.

[JugglingReferee]

Player control. Excellent call! (I was able to slow it down to a point where the defender had both feet on the ground with separation to the offensive player. That is LGP. After that, B's movement was legal.)

Naturally, the HC is ejected for his behavoir. Good call there too.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Nope, if I think they screw up, I'll say it.

NCAA basketball isn't fixed like the NFL anyway.

And this is the reason we cannot comment to this person?

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zm1283

It looked to me when I watched it the first time that he started to signal a block, albeit VERY slightly, with his left arm. The announcers (I know they're full of it...you don't have to remind me) also say something about how they thought he started to signal a block.

I'm not defending Floyd at all. He's obviously an idiot. As for the call, I think they got it right after watching several times.

I never saw him go for his hip. And the signal would be both hands, his fist hand never started to come down.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by zm1283

It looked to me when I watched it the first time that he started to signal a block, albeit VERY slightly, with his left arm. The announcers (I know they're full of it...you don't have to remind me) also say something about how they thought he started to signal a block.

I'm not defending Floyd at all. He's obviously an idiot. As for the call, I think they got it right after watching several times.

FWIW, it is very rare for an official to close when calling a PC foul at all levels. I cannot recall a time where an official came in then gave the PC signal. So I can see where Floyd thought he was going to get the call. McCall closed in all the way to the lane line. Usually the C will blow the whistle and point the other direction right away.

This was a tough call, and this seems like the time when the crew needed to call the Blarge as other crews have done recently.

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

This was a tough call, and this seems like the time when the crew needed to call the Blarge as other crews have done recently.

Let me get this straight, you are advocating that the 'C' should of went ahead and called a block thus creating a blarge and that other crews around the country are calling blarges on purpose?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

FWIW, it is very rare for an official to close when calling a PC foul at all levels. I cannot recall a time where an official came in then gave the PC signal. So I can see where Floyd thought he was going to get the call. McCall closed in all the way to the lane line. Usually the C will blow the whistle and point the other direction right away.

This was a tough call, and this seems like the time when the crew needed to call the Blarge as other crews have done recently.

Umm, no.