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jdw3018 Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:46am

Block/Charge call results in Floyd being ejected
 
Curious everyone's thoughts. It's about a 2:00 clip, and we don't get a replay until the end.

Looks like C may be getting ready to call a block when L comes hard with the PC.

Thoughts?

hugheske44 Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:59am

I think it was a block...~~~

zm1283 Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:01pm

Did they actually call a blarge? Floyd was upset because the C came in with a block signal, but was he mad because the only called a charge or because they went with a blarge? The officials on the court may not have even known what he was upset about because of how out of control he was.

jeffpea Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:05pm

Tim Floyd is a PUNK!!!! I only watch USC games to watch Floyd go nuts AFTER he thinks he team has lost it's chance to win.....then he blames the officials and gets wacked...Saw this game live and was waiting for the "Floyd Eruption"....

It was a good double whistle in a block/charge situtation and the officials did EXACTLY what they should.....lead takes the call; outside officials (in this case C) blow and hold w/ a fist.

btw, I agreed w/ the charge. Good call and Tim Floyd makes the officiating a storyline of the game when it should not have been.

jeffpea Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 579930)
Did they actually call a blarge? Floyd was upset because the C came in with a block signal, but was he mad because the only called a charge or because they went with a blarge? The officials on the court may not have even known what he was upset about because of how out of control he was.

The C did not signal a block at any time....if you feel he did, watch the video again....

Adam Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:10pm

You have no idea what the C was going to call; great job by the officials. I also think it's a great charge. Defender was there just in time, before the dribbler went airborne.

jdw3018 Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:11pm

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Originally Posted by jeffpea (Post 579937)
The C did not signal a block at any time....if you feel he did, watch the video again....

Exactly. If I had to guess, it's what he was getting ready to do, but he didn't.

And I also agree with the call. It was tough and close, but contact came before the offensive player was airborne, and the defender was sliding laterally or even a little backwards. Contact was in the torso.

Adam Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:16pm

I also agree that Floyd is a punk.

BktBallRef Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:18pm

The L anticipated the call. He's two steps onto the floor before the defender even hits the ground. I don't agree with the charge. Defender is still sliding in front of him when contact is made.

Even so, Floyd's an idiot. The Pac-10 needs to sit him down a game.

jdw3018 Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:20pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 579949)
I don't agree with the charge. Defender is still sliding in front of him when contact is made.

Is sliding laterally against the rules when the player isn't airborne?

eyezen Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:24pm

Block or charge, doesn't matter. Why in the world do coaches need to go ape**** on one simple call. Can't really make out time and score, but it appears to be relatively close. It would be nice to have your head coach on the bench down the stretch wouldn't it? As it was ASU gets four free throws, game over.

BktBallRef Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:24pm

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Originally Posted by jdw3018 (Post 579952)
Is sliding laterally against the rules when the player isn't airborne?

He can slide but he still has to get to the spot first and he didn't in my opinion.

refguy Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:26pm

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Originally Posted by jdw3018 (Post 579918)
Curious everyone's thoughts. It's about a 2:00 clip, and we don't get a replay until the end.

Looks like C may be getting ready to call a block when L comes hard with the PC.

Thoughts?

The call did not result in Floyd's ejection. His response to a close play and idiot behavior is what got him tossed. Whether or not it was a good call is irrelevant. If you watched the end of the UCLA-ASU game, the official called a pc on Collison when it should have been a block and a good basket, putting UCLA up by one and the nation's leading FT shooter at the line. Did you see him react like Hackett or Howland get tossed? Adult behavior is recommended here.

jdw3018 Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:29pm

Cool. I operate from the "if contact is in the torso, he got there first" in situations like this.

If the offensive player is airborne, there's the added element of when did he get there, but that's not applicable in this case.

jdw3018 Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by refguy (Post 579957)
The call did not result in Floyd's ejection. His response to a close play and idiot behavior is what got him tossed.

Excellent point - much more appropriately worded than my original post.


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