Conduct: Both Players and Officials

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Excessive swinging of the elbows is a violation.

Excessive swinging is normally viewed as when the elbows swing in a greater arc than the movement of the hips, which rebounders will often do to look for a receiver for their outlet pass. For example, if the rebounder swings their hips 180 degrees, then the elbows are also allowed to swing with the hips, that is, 180 degrees. However, if the rebounder swings his hips 180 degrees, and his elbows swing 270 degrees, then that is considered excessive swinging of the elbows.

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Making contact is a foul.

A player control foul, even if the elbows are not swinging excessively, if the defender isn't moving toward the rebounder. Could also be ruled an intentional personal foul, or a flagrant personal foul, if the elbows are swinging excessively.

[camargue44]

Ahhh, great speicifcs on the arc - I think that definitely plays into Snaqwells point about the pivoting. If you're pivoting it's unlikely your elbows will exceed the arc of your hips.


I'm not sure I understand "player control foul" definition. If a defender is set (not moving) and an offensive player uses swinging his elbows (even in a controlled manner) to control the ability of the defender to move toward him or defend him - that could be any of the fouls you listed? Did I read that right?

[camargue44]

Also BillyMac - good point about your ears. Haha. Admittedly, I regularly ignore that warning about the use of Q-tips.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by camargue44

P.S. We play using Georgia Highschool Rules and I thought it was pretty much a universal that once the elbows come up above shoulder height and are swung (even if no contact is made) that's either a "tech" or some kind of turnover.

Not true.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Excessive swinging is normally viewed as when the elbows swing in a greater arc than the movement of the hips,

Not true.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Excessive swinging is normally viewed as when the elbows swing in a greater arc than the movement of the hips, which rebounders will often do to look for a receiver for their outlet pass. For example, if the rebounder swings their hips 180 degrees, then the elbows are also allowed to swing with the hips, that is, 180 degrees. However, if the rebounder swings his hips 180 degrees, and his elbows swing 270 degrees, then that is considered excessive swinging of the elbows.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Not true.

bob jenkins: What's wrong with my description of excessive swinging? How would you describe it?

RULE 9 SECTION 13 EXCESSIVE SWINGING OF ARM(S)/ELBOW(S)
ART. 1 . A player shall not excessively swing his/her arms(s) or elbow(s),
even without contacting an opponent.
ART. 2 . A player may extend arm(s) or elbow(s) to hold the ball under the
chin or against the body.
ART. 3 . Action of arm(s) and elbow(s) resulting from total body movements as in pivoting or movement of the ball incidental to feinting with it, releasing it, or moving it to prevent a held ball or loss of control shall not be considered excessive.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

bob jenkins: What's wrong with my description of excessive swinging? How would you describe it?

I'd use the definition section.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I'd use the definition section.

I believe that my description is easier for a nonoffical to understand. That's how we were taught what to look for twenty-eight years ago, when I was a rookie, and it was easy to understand.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I believe that my description is easier for a nonoffical to understand. That's how we were taught what to look for twenty-eight years ago, when I was a rookie, and it was easy to understand.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I believe that my description is easier for a nonoffical to understand. That's how we were taught what to look for twenty-eight years ago, when I was a rookie, and it was easy to understand.

We heard you the first time.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

We heard you the first time.

Just wanted to make sure that everybody was paying attention.