Game venting.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

We've had this discussion before. Some feel the head coach has already lost the coaching box priviledges due the first T, so whoever is acting as the head coach following that point has the same restrictions. There is also nothing in the rules that supports a "restoration" of the coaching box.

the question is this if since the technicals do not carry over, and this guy has a clean slate so to speak, how do you keep him from using the coaches box. This is the head coach now and has done nothing to lose the privlege of the box>

I would have a hard time coming up with something that says he is seated.
Go back to the head coach gets ejected before the start of the game for players dunking the ball. the assistant takes over for the game you are going to I do not know by rule how you can keep him down.

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

the question is this if since the technicals do not carry over, and this guy has a clean slate so to speak, how do you keep him from using the coaches box. This is the head coach now and has done nothing to lose the privlege of the box>

I would have a hard time coming up with something that says he is seated.
Go back to the head coach gets ejected before the start of the game for players dunking the ball. the assistant takes over for the game you are going to I do not know by rule how you can keep him down.

Most assistant coaches wouldn't know how to use the box...it's like a foreign country to them!

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

the question is this if since the technicals do not carry over, and this guy has a clean slate so to speak, how do you keep him from using the coaches box. This is the head coach now and has done nothing to lose the privlege of the box>

No, - this is still the assistant coach who had to take over for the head coach. The head coach just happens to be in the locker room. I don't believe that the head coach was fired, and the AC applied and interviewed for the HC position in this short span. Therefore he is an AC and never had the privledge of a coaching box and still doesn't!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

the question is this if since the technicals do not carry over, and this guy has a clean slate so to speak, how do you keep him from using the coaches box. This is the head coach now and has done nothing to lose the privlege of the box>

I would have a hard time coming up with something that says he is seated.
Go back to the head coach gets ejected before the start of the game for players dunking the ball. the assistant takes over for the game you are going to I do not know by rule how you can keep him down.

Because he is the assistant coach.

For that matter, where does it say he's the head coach? The head coach has been tossed. We grant him some of the same rights (timeouts, correctable errors) and responsibilities (control of his bench), but nothing says he's the "head coach."

Again, why should a team benefit from the HC getting one more TF?

[Scratch85]

IMO, it doesn't matter if the remaining coach is deemed the HC or an AC, the first technincal charged directly or indirectly to the HC results in THE "LOSS OF COACHING BOX PRIVELEGES"

It is the "coaching box privelege" that is gone. Nothing more, nothing less.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

IMO, it doesn't matter if the remaining coach is deemed the HC or an AC, the first technincal charged directly or indirectly to the HC results in THE "LOSS OF COACHING BOX PRIVELEGES"

It is the "coaching box privelege" that is gone. Nothing more, nothing less.

But it does mater about the HC or AC because of what happens with direct and indirect technical fouls.
there are scenarios where this could be an issue, (while I do not want to be the official involved), there could be a scenario where the coach now in charge could be ejected also for the accumulation of direct and indirect technicals also. So if the replacement remains the assisitant coach what happens to bench technicals who are they charged to?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

But it does mater about the HC or AC because of what happens with direct and indirect technical fouls.
there are scenarios where this could be an issue, (while I do not want to be the official involved), there could be a scenario where the coach now in charge could be ejected also for the accumulation of direct and indirect technicals also. So if the replacement remains the assisitant coach what happens to bench technicals who are they charged to?

Good question, but that does change the fact that the coaches box privileges are gone once the head coach receives his first T. Whoever replaces the HC does not get the privilege of the coaches box.

[Scratch85]

FWIW, If I am calling a HS game and the HC gets tossed, The adult that replaces him/her will be deemed the HC. Directs and Indirects will now go to that person as required by rule. Other HC priveleges that were available (calling TO's, standing to applaude, etc.) at the time of the ejection are also available for the new HC.

[jearef]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Good question, but that does change the fact that the coaches box privileges are gone once the head coach receives his first T. Whoever replaces the HC does not get the privilege of the coaches box.

I have always thought that once the box is lost, it is lost for everyone. That being said, OHBBREF raises a valid point. I think this one is worthy of its own thread.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jearef

I have always thought that once the box is lost, it is lost for everyone. That being said, OHBBREF raises a valid point. I think this one is worthy of its own thread.

Let me just pose this question.

Do you really think the rules committee wants the team to gain an advantage (renewed use of the coaching box) from their coach earning a 2nd direct T?