Shot Clock Backcourt Violation

[Man In Blue]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No it is not correct.

For one the time team control was started has nothing to do with when the shot clock starts. You could get to 20, or even 5 have team control was not started (technically, but not likely).

Peace

You are saying an example would be if the inbound pass was touched by the defense, the shot clock starts but the back court count doesn't start until there is team control?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Man In Blue

You are saying an example would be if the inbound pass was touched by the defense, the shot clock starts but the back court count doesn't start until there is team control?

Yep, or there was no control by the in-bounding team when the ball was touched on the in-bound pass.

Peace

[Scrapper1]

But (two big "ifs" coming here. . .) IF you know that control was gained immediately and IF you know the shot clock started properly, then when the shot clock shows 24, a violation has occurred. Somebody needs to call it. If the Trail's count is off because he/she is concentrating on the backcourt pressure, the Lead should make the call.

I have no problem with the Lead making the call here.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

But (two big "ifs" coming here. . .) IF you know that control was gained immediately and IF you know the shot clock started properly, then when the shot clock shows 24, a violation has occurred. Somebody needs to call it. If the Trail's count is off because he/she is concentrating on the backcourt pressure, the Lead should make the call.

I have no problem with the Lead making the call here.

I have a huge problem with the lead calling this. For one the count of the officials is the only thing that matters. No where under common rules but the NBA says the clock is not the judge of this call? The Lead making this call might only know what the clock says, but might not know other factors as to why there is not violation. The someone that needs to call this is only the trail. Would you promote the same thing without a shot clock?

Peace

[Man In Blue]

The shot clock is what makes this sit interesting.

You could say the same thing for a 3 second violation. The lead is watching the paint and is looking for advantage/ disadvantage. By rule the trail has the right to make a 3 second call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Man In Blue

The shot clock is what makes this sit interesting.

You could say the same thing for a 3 second violation. The lead is watching the paint and is looking for advantage/ disadvantage. By rule the trail has the right to make a 3 second call.

Three seconds and 10 second back court are two different things. Would you have the lead call a 5 second count that the Trail has started a count near the division line?

Peace

[Man In Blue]

I might I am kind of a call hog!

There are so many interesting situations and how each of us would handel them.

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

But (two big "ifs" coming here. . .) IF you know that control was gained immediately and IF you know the shot clock started properly, then when the shot clock shows 24, a violation has occurred.

Doesn't the violation take place when the shot clock shows 25 (IF the 2 items above are present)?

9-10...An inbounds player (and his team) shall not be in continuous control of a ball that is in his back court for 10 consecutive seconds.

If you called the violation when the clock shows 24 then 11 seconds have expired. The violation takes place when the count is equal to 10 seconds. This is different from a throw-in. A throw-in violation occurs when the count is greater then 5 seconds (not equal to 5 seconds):

4-67-5...A thrower-in shall have five seconds from receiving disposal of the ball to release the throw-in. The throw-in count shall end when the ball is released by the thrower-in so that the ball goes directly into the playing court.

The 3 second rule is the same as the throw-in (> 3 seconds):

4-9 Art. 1...A player shall not be permitted to have any part of his or her body remain in the three-second lane for more than three consecutive seconds while the ball is in control of that player’s team in his or her front court.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

Doesn't the violation take place when the shot clock shows 25 (IF the 2 items above are present)?

Yes, but I said 24 because that was the situation in the original post of this thread.