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[Fritz]

Tell you something even more frustrating......youth leagues that require we pass out a referee survey card to each coach before the game. Coaches have free reign to put down whatever they want and you can't respond. And yes, I know the league office/officials' supervisor takes what is said with a grain of salt.......or so they say, but still. The comments some coaches make........

6th grade girls last night, close game throughout. VC compliments me on a couple of calls, politely asks for clarification on a couple of others and then thanks me, even suggests that he wished my partner would hustle as much as I do to get into position. Complains to my partner that he is missing some fouls and gets warned by my partner.

Then it happens; he only has five players and late in the game are down by 4 points when I call a clear hold on one of his players, who had four fouls on her already. Now she's gone and he is begging me to change it to someone else so he doesn't have to play with only four. "Can't do that coach, she is the one who fouled, no one else even close to the play." however, they actually come back to take a lead and win by 1 pt.

After the game he comes up and apologizes and seems real nice. But the OIC shows me the VC survey card after the game and I am rated "1" (poor) across the board (hustle, rules, game control, etc.) while my partner is all 4s and 5s (excellent and outstanding). Also, VC writes down that I called a horrible game.

Now where do I get to put all the extra info down so the league gets the whole picture? I know, just let it go..................but it sure gets me steamed sometimes!

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Fritz

Tell you something even more frustrating......youth leagues that require we pass out a referee survey card to each coach before the game. Coaches have free reign to put down whatever they want and you can't respond. And yes, I know the league office/officials' supervisor takes what is said with a grain of salt.......or so they say, but still. The comments some coaches make........

6th grade girls last night, close game throughout. VC compliments me on a couple of calls, politely asks for clarification on a couple of others and then thanks me, even suggests that he wished my partner would hustle as much as I do to get into position. Complains to my partner that he is missing some fouls and gets warned by my partner.

Then it happens; he only has five players and late in the game are down by 4 points when I call a clear hold on one of his players, who had four fouls on her already. Now she's gone and he is begging me to change it to someone else so he doesn't have to play with only four. "Can't do that coach, she is the one who fouled, no one else even close to the play." however, they actually come back to take a lead and win by 1 pt.

After the game he comes up and apologizes and seems real nice. But the OIC shows me the VC survey card after the game and I am rated "1" (poor) across the board (hustle, rules, game control, etc.) while my partner is all 4s and 5s (excellent and outstanding). Also, VC writes down that I called a horrible game.

Now where do I get to put all the extra info down so the league gets the whole picture? I know, just let it go..................but it sure gets me steamed sometimes!

Have coaches send in game tape for proof. The ones that lie will be exposed as frauds.

[bc7]

Originally Posted by Fritz

Tell you something even more frustrating......youth leagues that require we pass out a referee survey card to each coach before the game. Coaches have free reign to put down whatever they want and you can't respond. And yes, I know the league office/officials' supervisor takes what is said with a grain of salt.......or so they say, but still. The comments some coaches make........

6th grade girls last night, close game throughout. VC compliments me on a couple of calls, politely asks for clarification on a couple of others and then thanks me, even suggests that he wished my partner would hustle as much as I do to get into position. Complains to my partner that he is missing some fouls and gets warned by my partner.

Then it happens; he only has five players and late in the game are down by 4 points when I call a clear hold on one of his players, who had four fouls on her already. Now she's gone and he is begging me to change it to someone else so he doesn't have to play with only four. "Can't do that coach, she is the one who fouled, no one else even close to the play." however, they actually come back to take a lead and win by 1 pt.

After the game he comes up and apologizes and seems real nice. But the OIC shows me the VC survey card after the game and I am rated "1" (poor) across the board (hustle, rules, game control, etc.) while my partner is all 4s and 5s (excellent and outstanding). Also, VC writes down that I called a horrible game.

Now where do I get to put all the extra info down so the league gets the whole picture? I know, just let it go..................but it sure gets me steamed sometimes!

Are you sure he didn't write on the wrong cards? It seems like the things he put on your card were what he felt about your partner, and vise versa.

Just my 0.02.

[Bad Zebra]

Another factor not discussed yet: For the most part, coaching (at least HS level or above) is a career path. The same individuals who rant and cuss you out sometimes are dependent on this job as their living (or at least a substantial part of it). It's not an excuse for poor sportsmanship or boorish behavior, but it helps explain why they can get out of hand.

Another losing season may cost them their job. ..their star player fouling out may cost them a win.

I once read here (can't remeber the author): "Understand that this is a vocation for them...USUALLY an avocation for us. There is a difference."

[JRutledge]

It is always easier to point the finger at what others did wrong and how you did not accomplish something as a result, then look yourself in the mirror and blame yourself for your own short comings. It is that simple.

BTW, not all coaches do that. The best ones I find look in the mirror.

Peace

[williebfree]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is always easier to point the finger at what others did wrong and how you did not accomplish something as a result, then look yourself in the mirror and blame yourself for your own short comings. It is that simple.

BTW, not all coaches do that. The best ones I find look in the mirror.

Peace

Amen to that Brother!

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is always easier to point the finger at what others did wrong and how you did not accomplish something as a result, then look yourself in the mirror and blame yourself for your own short comings. It is that simple.

BTW, not all coaches do that. The best ones I find look in the mirror.

Peace

Yup. My observation is that "as long as you're blaming the refs, the team can't get better." That goes for the parents of the players, too. When they blame the refs, the kid doesn't have to deal with their own weaknesses and shortcomings, so they can't improve.

[PSidbury]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

BTW, not all coaches do that. The best ones I find look in the mirror.

Had a JV boys game a couple weeks ago where the home team was losing by 20+ points.
The home team point guard goes to his left for a drive to the basket and, right in front of me, puts his shoulder down and charges into a defender.
I call the charge.
Home team coach who was directly behind me screams, "Are you kidding me...!"
And in that split-second I thought, "Oh, here it comes, the coach is going to lay into me."
But, then he shouts the name of his point guard.
After I finish reporting, the coach says, "Good call, ref. You had to make that call."

I thought, "Wow, you don't get that every day from a coach getting crushed at home."

I guess, just like officials, coaches also come in all shapes and sizes.

Paul

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by Fritz

Tell you something even more frustrating......youth leagues that require we pass out a referee survey card to each coach before the game.

A youth league that gets coaches' feedback on officials, and requires you to pass out the cards? I wouldn't work that league.

[Man In Blue]

Originally Posted by Fritz

After the game he comes up and apologizes and seems real nice. But the OIC shows me the VC survey card after the game and I am rated "1" (poor) across the board (hustle, rules, game control, etc.) while my partner is all 4s and 5s (excellent and outstanding). Also, VC writes down that I called a horrible game.

Now where do I get to put all the extra info down so the league gets the whole picture? I know, just let it go..................but it sure gets me steamed sometimes!

I always saw 6th grade girls are the most difficult to do. Their moms are the worst.

You are thinking too much about what the coaches say and do. The toughest part of this job is trusting your self evaluation.

You have to get to a point where you look at your performance and ask yourself- was I in position to make the right call? Do I hustle to get into position? Do I KNOW the rules? Did I have a bad game and what can I do to get better.

If you don't let a lot of this roll off of your back being an official will not be fun. If it is not fun you need to get out. Same for all of us.