9-4; Through the Basket from Below

[rgncjn]

I need some opinions and direction regarding the ball passing through the basket from below.

Rulebook 9-4 states, "... or cause it to enter and pass through the basket from below.

The Casebook states, "The ball becomes dead when it enters from below and passes through."

My questions lies in whether the ball must pass through the basket and the entire ball be above rim level for the violation; or is a violation still warranted if the ball passes through the net and approximately half of the ball rises above the rim level, before beginning the downward path.

Image: Figure A = Violation, Would Figure B warrant a violation?

[williebfree]

I would not call the violation unless the ball is above the rim; however, I do not have an issue with others who would call it if any part of the ball enters the rim from below.

[BillyMac]

I actually had this call last week, first time in twenty-eight years, but in my case the ball didn't come back down through the basket, it rolled off the rim, to the side. Easy Call.

[MatthewPV]

Do we then go to the arrow?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by MatthewPV

Do we then go to the arrow?

I believe that there are only two choices here. It's either a violation, or it's not a violation.

[MatthewPV]

So whomever last touches it, it would be the other teams ball based on the violation, right?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by MatthewPV

So whomever last touches it, it would be the other teams ball based on the violation, right?

Rule 9 Violations SECTION 4 TRAVEL, KICK, FIST:
A player shall not travel with the ball, as in 4-44, intentionally kick it, as in 4-29, strike it with the fist or cause it to enter and pass through the basket from below.
NOTE: Kicking the ball is a violation only when it is an intentional act; accidentally striking the ball with the foot or leg is not a violation.
PENALTY: The ball is dead when the violation occurs and is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in from the designated out-of-bounds spot nearest the violation.

[williebfree]

Originally Posted by MatthewPV

So whomever last touches it, it would be the other teams ball based on the violation, right?

I had this play occur in an 8th grade girls game. A1 drives to hoop. As she swooped a shot B1 makes contact on A1's wrist. The ball enters the basket from below bounces off the backboard and falls back through the hoop.

In one of those "amnesiatic" moments, I could not recall the diminutive last line of the rule 9-4-4 which has a heading of "Travel, Kick, Fist", I awarded the basket and one FT.

Correct ruling: Ball becomes dead when the violation occurred (entered basket from below). A1 shoots two (as a result of B1 foul)

[Johnny Ringo]

Does the ball have to clear the cylinder from below in order for this to be called a violation?

[gslefeb]

To me the phrase "passes through" would indicate the entire ball would need to be above the rim.

[Adam]

The ball can never go above the cylinder; by definition.

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The ball can never go above the cylinder; by definition.

Explain, please!

[AKOFL]

The rim is at 10 feet, The cylinder contiues up up up.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by gslefeb

To me the phrase "passes through" would indicate the entire ball would need to be above the rim.

That is correct. According to the pictures provided in the OP, A is a violation while B is not.

The only debate is whether the ball must also come completely free of the net. Those who say yes argue that the net is part of the basket.
Those who say no point out that the definition of the basket states that the net is suspended below the ring, not pushed up into it and above the level of the ring.

1-10-1 . . . Each basket shall consist of a single metal ring, 18 inches in inside
diameter, its flange and braces, and a white-cord 12-mesh net, 15 to 18 inches in
length, suspended from beneath the ring.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Explain, please!

Originally Posted by AKOFL

The rim is at 10 feet, The cylinder contiues up up up.

In math, a cylinder continues indefinitely.
In basketball, it basically extends to the ceiling. On an outdoor court, it would extend indefinitely upwards.