9-4; Through the Basket from Below

[williebfree]

Originally Posted by MatthewPV

So whomever last touches it, it would be the other teams ball based on the violation, right?

I had this play occur in an 8th grade girls game. A1 drives to hoop. As she swooped a shot B1 makes contact on A1's wrist. The ball enters the basket from below bounces off the backboard and falls back through the hoop.

In one of those "amnesiatic" moments, I could not recall the diminutive last line of the rule 9-4-4 which has a heading of "Travel, Kick, Fist", I awarded the basket and one FT.

Correct ruling: Ball becomes dead when the violation occurred (entered basket from below). A1 shoots two (as a result of B1 foul)

[Johnny Ringo]

Does the ball have to clear the cylinder from below in order for this to be called a violation?

[gslefeb]

To me the phrase "passes through" would indicate the entire ball would need to be above the rim.

[Adam]

The ball can never go above the cylinder; by definition.

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The ball can never go above the cylinder; by definition.

Explain, please!

[AKOFL]

The rim is at 10 feet, The cylinder contiues up up up.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Explain, please!

Originally Posted by AKOFL

The rim is at 10 feet, The cylinder contiues up up up.

In math, a cylinder continues indefinitely.
In basketball, it basically extends to the ceiling. On an outdoor court, it would extend indefinitely upwards.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by gslefeb

To me the phrase "passes through" would indicate the entire ball would need to be above the rim.

That is correct. According to the pictures provided in the OP, A is a violation while B is not.

The only debate is whether the ball must also come completely free of the net. Those who say yes argue that the net is part of the basket.
Those who say no point out that the definition of the basket states that the net is suspended below the ring, not pushed up into it and above the level of the ring.

1-10-1 . . . Each basket shall consist of a single metal ring, 18 inches in inside
diameter, its flange and braces, and a white-cord 12-mesh net, 15 to 18 inches in
length, suspended from beneath the ring.