Flagrant Foul Question

[bc7]

Last night in Girls Sophomore game, I had the following situation:

A1 gets a steal and is on a fast break, B1 commits a flagrant foul, two arms extended throwing girl into the wall (not good). My partner is the lead, we both have the foul. After making sure the girl is getting medical attention we huddle and decide that it was a flagrant foul and B1 is ejected.

My question is this: I thought A1 (or designated shooter) only gets 2 FT's, and then A gets the ball at POI. He thought she should get 4 FT's and the ball. Since I am a rookie official and he was the R, we went with 4 FT's and the ball. We received no argument from anyone, but did question it after the game.

The only reference in the rule book that I can find is 10-11-4 which states 2 FT's for an intentional or flagrant foul plus the ball.

Any thoughts?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bc7

The only reference in the rule book that I can find is 10-11-4 which states 2 FT's for an intentional or flagrant foul plus the ball.

Any thoughts?

Let me guess, your partner thought she should get two for the shooting foul and two for the flagrant. IT'S ONLY ONE FOUL! Therefore, only one penalty, for the flagrant.
The reason that's the only reference you could find is because that's the correct reference. Fouled player (or sub, if applicable) must shoot, and the ball will be taken out at the spot of the foul.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by bc7

Last night in Girls Sophomore game, I had the following situation:

A1 gets a steal and is on a fast break, B1 commits a flagrant foul, two arms extended throwing girl into the wall (not good). My partner is the lead, we both have the foul. After making sure the girl is getting medical attention we huddle and decide that it was a flagrant foul and B1 is ejected.

My question is this: I thought A1 (or designated shooter) only gets 2 FT's, and then A gets the ball at POI. He thought she should get 4 FT's and the ball. Since I am a rookie official and he was the R, we went with 4 FT's and the ball. We received no argument from anyone, but did question it after the game.

The only reference in the rule book that I can find is 10-11-4 which states 2 FT's for an intentional or flagrant foul plus the ball.

Any thoughts?

One foul = One penalty.

I believe it is a Flagrant Intentional Personal Foul. A1 shoots the 2 shots + throw-in nearest foul 4-19-4.

[bc7]

He never specifically said anything about 2 for the flagrant, and 2 for the personal, but that was what I took from it.

Thanks for the quick responses.

[Lotto]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

One foul = One penalty.

I believe it is a Flagrant Intentional Personal Foul. A1 shoots the 2 shots + throw-in nearest foul 4-19-4.

Flagrant personal foul, without the "intentional."

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Lotto

Flagrant personal foul, without the "intentional."

But a flagrant could be intentional, .

MTD, Sr.

[Lotto]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

But a flagrant could be intentional.

I try to help, and this is what I get. Great.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Lotto

I try to help, and this is what I get. Great.

Not good deed goes unpunished.

MTD, Sr.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by bc7

Last night in Girls Sophomore game, I had the following situation:

A1 gets a steal and is on a fast break, B1 commits a flagrant foul, two arms extended throwing girl into the wall (not good). My partner is the lead, we both have the foul. After making sure the girl is getting medical attention we huddle and decide that it was a flagrant foul and B1 is ejected.

My question is this: I thought A1 (or designated shooter) only gets 2 FT's, and then A gets the ball at POI. He thought she should get 4 FT's and the ball. Since I am a rookie official and he was the R, we went with 4 FT's and the ball. We received no argument from anyone, but did question it after the game.

The only reference in the rule book that I can find is 10-11-4 which states 2 FT's for an intentional or flagrant foul plus the ball.

Any thoughts?

To follow the veteran's logic, had the foul occurred on a three point shot (and been part of a multiple foul), he would have awarded:
1. 3 shots for the shooting foul,
2. 3 more shots for the second of two shooting fouls,
3. 2 shots for the flagrant foul,
and, of course, the ball as well.....hmmmmmmm.....

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

One foul = One penalty.

I believe it is a Flagrant Intentional Personal Foul. A1 shoots the 2 shots + throw-in nearest foul 4-19-4.

Jug, it's just a flagrant personal foul. Whether the contact is intentional or unintentional has no bearing.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Jug, it's just a flagrant personal foul. Whether the contact is intentional or unintentional has no bearing.

That means 2 FT's for A1 (or sub) but NOT the ball, right? Shoot FT's with players in the lane, and play as usual after the second attempt?

[jearef]

Originally Posted by mbyron

That means 2 FT's for A1 (or sub) but NOT the ball, right? Shoot FT's with players in the lane, and play as usual after the second attempt?

Flagrant personal foul. Clear the lane. Shoot the two free throws. Ball to the offended team at the spot nearest to where the foul was committed.