Duke/WFU end of game

[fiasco]

Anyone see this one? Tie ball game, with a few seconds left, Duke rebounds the ball while a Wake Forest player is on the floor. The Duke player lands on the WFU player, causing him to fall to the floor. The officials call a travel on Duke, giving WFU the ball on the endline with almost 3 seconds left. They score and win.

If the guy is on the floor, presumably he doesn't have LGP, no? If contact is made that puts the ball handler at a disadvantage, wouldn't you have a foul?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Anyone see this one? Tie ball game, with a few seconds left, Duke rebounds the ball while a Wake Forest player is on the floor. The Duke player lands on the WFU player, causing him to fall to the floor. The officials call a travel on Duke, giving WFU the ball on the endline with almost 3 seconds left. They score and win.

If the guy is on the floor, presumably he doesn't have LGP, no? If contact is made that puts the ball handler at a disadvantage, wouldn't you have a foul?

Are you saying that you wanted the officials to call a foul and send Duke down to the other end so that they could make FTs and win?

[JRutledge]

This is already being discussed on this site.

Rebounder Falls on Defender

Peace

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Are you saying that you wanted the officials to call a foul and send Duke down to the other end so that they could make FTs and win?

I'm just talking about the rules. I understand sometimes those don't apply in college basketball, but still.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I'm just talking about the rules. I understand sometimes those don't apply in college basketball, but still.

Can you show me the rule (at any level) that shows a player on the floor is in LGP? Better yet, how was LGP established in this case?

Peace

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Can you show me the rule (at any level) that shows a player on the floor is in LGP? Better yet, how was LGP established in this case?

Peace

I'm arguing neither of your points.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I'm arguing neither of your points.

Then what are you debating? I do not understand how a foul should be called based on what I know of the play?

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Can you show me the rule (at any level) that shows a player on the floor is in LGP? Better yet, how was LGP established in this case?

The NFHS used to have just such a case play, but it was removed without comment a few years ago.

Is it still in force? That is a matter of opinion.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The NFHS used to have just such a case play, but it was removed without comment a few years ago.

Is it still in force? That is a matter of opinion.

I saw what you said and even remember the play mentioned. From what I understand anytime something is removed, the ruling has likely changed or does not fit the current interpretations. This was also an NCAA game, so what the NF might say on this might not apply. I am just trying to understand what rule says this would be only a foul on the player that fell on top of another player as stated in this situation.

Let me take it a step further, I also do not think the rules were intended or it makes good common sense to call a foul on anyone in this specific situation. But that is after all an opinion. I am sure some might disagree. I just would like a rule to back that up before I am able to make that leap.

Peace

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Anyone see this one? Tie ball game, with a few seconds left, Duke rebounds the ball while a Wake Forest player is on the floor. The Duke player lands on the WFU player, causing him to fall to the floor. The officials call a travel on Duke, giving WFU the ball on the endline with almost 3 seconds left. They score and win.

If the guy is on the floor, presumably he doesn't have LGP, no? If contact is made that puts the ball handler at a disadvantage, wouldn't you have a foul?

There is an NCAA ruling that says this is a foul on the player lying on the floor. It's been posted here many times before.

[GoodwillRef]

NCAA Casebook A.R. 97 (Page 40)

B1 slips to the floor in the free throw lane. A1 (with his/her back to B1, who is prone) receives a pass, turns and, in his or her attempt to drive to the basket, trips and falls over B1.

Ruling: Foul on B1, who has taken an illiegal defensive position.
(Rule 4-35.4a)