Duke/WFU end of game

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Then what are you debating? I do not understand how a foul should be called based on what I know of the play?

Peace

You asked me to demonstrate how LGP was established when I'm the one who said that it wasn't established. What's with the runaround?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fiasco

You asked me to demonstrate how LGP was established when I'm the one who said that it wasn't established. What's with the runaround?

In order to have a foul, I would think the player on the floor at some point would have to establish a legal position. If there is no such action that took place before the contact, then there is no rules basis to call a foul on a player falling down, unless there is an interpretation that supports such action. Now you are the one that accused the officials of not following the rules. I am just asking you to show something other than your opinion that the rule was clearly violated. Remember, you said this was rather clear.

Peace

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

In order to have a foul, I would think the player on the floor at some point would have to establish a legal position. I

What?

To have a foul on the defense, they are required to have established LGP?

Are you listening to yourself?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fiasco

What?

To have a foul on the defense, they are required to have established LGP?

Are you listening to yourself?

No you do not need LGP to have all kinds of fouls (verticality, screening, position on the floor). If there is a foul "by rule" (your words) then you should be able to show something that backs up that this is a rulebook foul. I do not see anything in the NCAA Rulebook or interpretations that suggest players falling to the floor is "by rule" a foul. And instead of just giving that reference, you have not only accused the officials of not calling a foul because of who was involved or how the game was broadcast. I would like a little more evidence than what you think, but a reference. And as someone else said, you are starting to sound like a fan boy and not an official. Then again that would not be the first time that has happen on this site.

Peace

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No you do not need LGP to have all kinds of fouls (verticality, screening, position on the floor). If there is a foul "by rule" (your words) then you should be able to show something that backs up that this is a rulebook foul. I do not see anything in the NCAA Rulebook or interpretations that suggest players falling to the floor is "by rule" a foul. And instead of just giving that reference, you have not only accused the officials of not calling a foul because of who was involved or how the game was broadcast. I would like a little more evidence than what you think, but a reference. And as someone else said, you are starting to sound like a fan boy and not an official. Then again that would not be the first time that has happen on this site.

Peace

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

You said:

In order to have a foul, I would think the player on the floor at some point would have to establish a legal position.

and then, not two posts later, you said:

No you do not need LGP to have all kinds of fouls

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

You said:



and then, not two posts later, you said:

Yes based on what you have suggested. And based on what the current NCAA interpretations have suggested.

You must not understand those interpretations or understand why those interpretations were made in the first place.

Look, I am not claiming the officials missed the call because of who was playing or who was watching, you were. If a player is not in LGP by being on the floor, then you have to have some other ruling that suggests that this was a foul?

I will be waiting patiently for your answer with a rules reference.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

You said:



and then, not two posts later, you said:

There's a difference between legal position and legal GUARDING position.

A stationary player with his back to the dribbler doesn't have legal guarding position. But, if he gets run over by the dribbler, the foul is on the dribbler, because the defender had legal position.

That said, this is enough for this thread. Keep the discussion to the other thread that is open.