Is leaving the bench a T?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I fail to see your point.

Are you misreading my post? Are you substituting "players" where I wrote "coaches"?

I'm not misreading anything. The OP reported that everyone left the bench, and seemed to suggest that the entire team participated in the fight. I believe that my post was the first to suggest a forfeit or suspension.

You began with: "I don't know why people are talking about suspending play or forfeiting the game." My answer: 3-1-1. If there are no players left, that rule applies.

Your posts have focused on coach ejections, but as I read the case there were more ejections than that.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I'm not misreading anything. The OP reported that everyone left the bench, and seemed to suggest that the entire team participated in the fight. I believe that my post was the first to suggest a forfeit or suspension.

You began with: "I don't know why people are talking about suspending play or forfeiting the game." My answer: 3-1-1. If there are no players left, that rule applies.

Your posts have focused on coach ejections, but as I read the case there were more ejections than that.

Since he said four players were left for each team, I assume at least 4 did not participate.

[bigda65]

Snaq,

You are correct. The two players involved in the fight were ej'd, and all bench personel (both teams)(except coaches) were ej'd.

I dont think any other players were actually fighting, just trying to break up the original fisticuff.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bigda65

Snaq,

You are correct. The two players involved in the fight were ej'd, and all bench personel (both teams)(except coaches) were ej'd.

I dont think any other players were actually fighting, just trying to break up the original fisticuff.

What were the coaches doing? Breaking it up or mixing it up?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bigda65

Snaq,

You are correct. The two players involved in the fight were ej'd, and all bench personel (both teams)(except coaches) were ej'd.

I dont think any other players were actually fighting, just trying to break up the original fisticuff.

Then the OP / ruling seems consistent. The bench personnel were ejected, it's one indirect on each coach (assuming the coaches did not participate and were considered "beckoned"), the two players were ejected. That leaves 4 players and a (seat-belted) coach for each team. And, each team is probably in the double bonus by now.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Then the OP / ruling seems consistent. The bench personnel were ejected, it's one indirect on each coach (assuming the coaches did not participate and were considered "beckoned"), the two players were ejected. That leaves 4 players and a (seat-belted) coach for each team. And, each team is probably in the double bonus by now.

And since no free throws were shot, it stands to reason that each team had the same number of bench players. If not, whichever team had the least should have had two free throws.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I'm not misreading anything. The OP reported that everyone left the bench, and seemed to suggest that the entire team participated in the fight. I believe that my post was the first to suggest a forfeit or suspension.

You began with: "I don't know why people are talking about suspending play or forfeiting the game." My answer: 3-1-1. If there are no players left, that rule applies.

Your posts have focused on coach ejections, but as I read the case there were more ejections than that.

I focused on the coaches because the OP clearly stated that each team had four players remaining following the altercation. Therefore, I knew that 3-1-1 was not an issue and that the only reason UNDER NFHS RULES that someone could suggest a forfeit was the coach situation. Perhaps it is different in your state, but the NFHS rules do NOT require that a team have an adult coach on the bench to play.

Originally Posted by bigda65

When the smoke cleared, it was a four on four contest with no subs for either team, and one brutal fan arrest.

BTW under the state regulations in NV a team forfeits if three or more individuals come off the bench during an altercation and it doesn't matter what role those people have with the team. If both teams have three or more leave the bench, then the game is a double-forfeit.

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I focused on the coaches because the OP clearly stated that each team had four players remaining following the altercation. Therefore, I knew that 3-1-1 was not an issue and that the only reason UNDER NFHS RULES that someone could suggest a forfeit was the coach situation. Perhaps it is different in your state, but the NFHS rules do NOT require that a team have an adult coach on the bench to play.



BTW under the state regulations in NV a team forfeits if three or more individuals come off the bench during an altercation and it doesn't matter what role those people have with the team. If both teams have three or more leave the bench, then the game is a double-forfeit.

I like that. A rule with some teeth.