Washington v. USC

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by dbking

Not watching but...

The question to be asked is was there a shot attempt?

If the answer is yes, then there is no team control when the shot is attempted. The rule allows any person to gain control of ball while in the air and then land in the back court.

If the anser is no, then there should be a whistle.

My guess is the referee deemed that there was an attempt for a shot.

Don't agree with this, 9-3 makes an exception for a jump ball and during the throw-in, but in this case A1 established team control in the FC when he left the ground from the FC and caught the ball...landed in the BC I have a violation...but again I am three LARGE glasses of Cab deep tonight...

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

Don't agree with this, 9-3 makes an exception for a jump ball and during the throw-in, but in this case A1 established team control in the FC when he left the ground from the FC and caught the ball...landed in the BC I have a violation...but again I am three LARGE glasses of Cab deep tonight...

You are right that the try for goal doesn't matter as the three exceptions do not include gaining control from a missed try.

BTW if the ball was blocked out of the player's hands before it was released on the try, then team control would continue anyway.

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You are right that the try for goal doesn't matter as the three exceptions do not include gaining control from a missed try.

BTW if the ball was blocked out of the player's hands before it was released on the try, then team control would continue anyway.

This last point is the one I was not sure about (even though it was BC regardless) - so if the ball does not leave his hand it is not considered a try even though he gathered and came up and it was around his chest on the way up when it was poked out? Just trying to figure out how this would be different if he got the ball to the top and had his shot blocked? TC continues here? Thanks..

[RookieDude]

TC continues untill release on a try.

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

TC continues untill release on a try.

I thought I remembered seeing a discussion on this some time ago and there was a disagreement as to what constituted "release" meaning did the release have to be voluntary by the shooter or can the shooter's release be forced as in a block...is there definitive guidance on this? So if a shooter has the ball the way at the top and is about to release it and someone smacks it out from behind, still TC?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

I thought I remembered seeing a discussion on this some time ago and there was a disagreement as to what constituted "release" meaning did the release have to be voluntary by the shooter or can the shooter's release be forced as in a block...is there definitive guidance on this? So if a shooter has the ball the way at the top and is about to release it and someone smacks it out from behind, still TC?

2003-04 NFHS BASKETBALL RULES INTERPRETATIONS

SITUATION 5: At the top of the key, A1 beats B1 off the dribble, reaches the free-throw line, and pulls up for a jump shot. At the apex of the jump and before the ball is released, B2 comes from the side and swats the ball out of A1’s hands. The ball goes behind A1, deflects off A2 and into the backcourt, where A3 is the first to touch it. RULING: A backcourt violation shall be called. Team control had continued for Team A because the try ended before the ball was in flight. (4-12-3a; 4-40-3,4; 9-9-1)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

2003-04 NFHS BASKETBALL RULES INTERPRETATIONS

Five year old interpretation? Amazing. I don't remember what I had for breakfast this morning. Where are my keys?

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

BTW if the ball was blocked out of the player's hands before it was released on the try, then team control would continue anyway.

Just a question
Doesn't the try begin with the gathering of the ball?
So if you would have given the player two shots had it been a foul
wouldn't that be a try?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Just a question
Doesn't the try begin with the gathering of the ball?
So if you would have given the player two shots had it been a foul
wouldn't that be a try?

Sure -- but that has nothing to do with ending PC or TC. TC ends when the ball is in flight on a try.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Just a question
Doesn't the try begin with the gathering of the ball?
So if you would have given the player two shots had it been a foul
wouldn't that be a try?

The answer to both of your questions is yes.

However, RookieDude has it essentially right - look at the definition of team control, 4-12-3(a): "Team control continues until the ball is in flight during a try or tap for goal."

[M&M Guy]

Dang you, Bob.

I need to attend a speed-typing refresher course.