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slow whistle Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:16pm

Washington v. USC
 
Anybody watching this game, play that just happened around 17:30 mark of first half? A1 goes up for a jump shot around the elbow and B1 knocks it out of his hand on the way up. Ball goes towards center line and A1 retreats with B1 chasing..A1 jumps from his FC, catches the ball in the air and lands in BC...no BC violation called....:confused: Did I drink too much vino this evening?

dbking Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:27pm

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Originally Posted by slow whistle (Post 571465)
Anybody watching this game, play that just happened around 17:30 mark of first half? A1 goes up for a jump shot around the elbow and B1 knocks it out of his hand on the way up. Ball goes towards center line and A1 retreats with B1 chasing..A1 jumps from his FC, catches the ball in the air and lands in BC...no BC violation called....:confused: Did I drink too much vino this evening?

Not watching but...

The question to be asked is was there a shot attempt?

If the answer is yes, then there is no team control when the shot is attempted. The rule allows any person to gain control of ball while in the air and then land in the back court.

If the anser is no, then there should be a whistle.

My guess is the referee deemed that there was an attempt for a shot.

slow whistle Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:27pm

All kinds of good stuff in this game already! SC kid just tech'd for hanging on the rim...he came in for rebound and ball bounced off the rim to Washington, but there were two Washington guys standing under the rim so SC kid grabbed and hung til they cleared...not sure I agree with this one, there were clearly two guys underneath him and he actually waited until they started the other way to let go giving them an advantage until official blew it dead...tough call and have to see it I understand, but wouldn't you give benefit of the doubt on this type of play? Got Floyd out of his jacket he was not happy!

JRutledge Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:41pm

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Originally Posted by slow whistle (Post 571471)
All kinds of good stuff in this game already! SC kid just tech'd for hanging on the rim...he came in for rebound and ball bounced off the rim to Washington, but there were two Washington guys standing under the rim so SC kid grabbed and hung til they cleared...not sure I agree with this one, there were clearly two guys underneath him and he actually waited until they started the other way to let go giving them an advantage until official blew it dead...tough call and have to see it I understand, but wouldn't you give benefit of the doubt on this type of play?

I understand why this was called, but I do not think it would have mattered to anyone if the official passed. Then again, that is easy to say with replay.

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Originally Posted by slow whistle (Post 571471)
Got Floyd out of his jacket he was not happy!

And this is new why? :D

Peace

slow whistle Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:46pm

Geez rough first half for this crew....bang-bang block/charge and C immediately goes PC and L immediately goes block, neither with any sort of prelminary signal (fist)....and we have the dreaded blarge....

JRutledge Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:46pm

It is a blarge!!!!!
 
Wow, the commentators know nothing. Just sad how dumb they are.

And you cannot go to the video dumbazz!!!

Peace

slow whistle Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:51pm

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Originally Posted by dbking (Post 571470)
Not watching but...

The question to be asked is was there a shot attempt?

If the answer is yes, then there is no team control when the shot is attempted. The rule allows any person to gain control of ball while in the air and then land in the back court.

If the anser is no, then there should be a whistle.

My guess is the referee deemed that there was an attempt for a shot.

Don't agree with this, 9-3 makes an exception for a jump ball and during the throw-in, but in this case A1 established team control in the FC when he left the ground from the FC and caught the ball...landed in the BC I have a violation...but again I am three LARGE glasses of Cab deep tonight...

slow whistle Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:52pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 571478)
Wow, the commentators know nothing. Just sad how dumb they are.

And you cannot go to the video dumbazz!!!

Peace

Yeah they are ridiculous...I love how they are absolutely certain that they are right and the officials are idiots..

slow whistle Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:59pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 571476)

And this is new why? :D

Peace

Just a bad omen that early in the game...and the bad karma paid off with the BLARGE!:D

zm1283 Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:31am

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Originally Posted by slow whistle (Post 571485)
Yeah they are ridiculous...I love how they are absolutely certain that they are right and the officials are idiots..

What were they saying? That you can't have a double foul on a blarge?

JRutledge Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:41am

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 571495)
What were they saying? That you can't have a double foul on a blarge?

No, we were commenting on the commentators on the game which basically said that the officials had to pick one (foul over the other). And the commentators made it sound like the officials could get together and make a decision and even suggested that they could look at the tape (which they cannot by rule).

Peace

zm1283 Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:46am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 571498)
No, we were commenting on the commentators on the game which basically said that the officials had to pick one (foul over the other). And the commentators made it sound like the officials could get together and make a decision and even suggested that they could look at the tape (which they cannot by rule).

Peace

Yeah, I realized you guys were talking about the commentators. I was wondering what they were saying that was making them so clueless since I didn't see the game at all. Thanks for the info.

Nevadaref Fri Jan 23, 2009 03:18am

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Originally Posted by slow whistle (Post 571484)
Don't agree with this, 9-3 makes an exception for a jump ball and during the throw-in, but in this case A1 established team control in the FC when he left the ground from the FC and caught the ball...landed in the BC I have a violation...but again I am three LARGE glasses of Cab deep tonight...

You are right that the try for goal doesn't matter as the three exceptions do not include gaining control from a missed try.

BTW if the ball was blocked out of the player's hands before it was released on the try, then team control would continue anyway.

slow whistle Fri Jan 23, 2009 07:40am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 571518)
You are right that the try for goal doesn't matter as the three exceptions do not include gaining control from a missed try.

BTW if the ball was blocked out of the player's hands before it was released on the try, then team control would continue anyway.

This last point is the one I was not sure about (even though it was BC regardless) - so if the ball does not leave his hand it is not considered a try even though he gathered and came up and it was around his chest on the way up when it was poked out? Just trying to figure out how this would be different if he got the ball to the top and had his shot blocked? TC continues here? Thanks..

RookieDude Fri Jan 23, 2009 08:00am

TC continues untill release on a try.


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