Delay of Game???

[Adam]

Personally, I don't mind the way the JV guy dealt with it. I wouldn't have gone the DOG route, because this is a defensive violation by rule, not offensive.

You have the option of a T (preventing the ball from being made live) by rule, but I'd probably avoid that as well.

Stop the clock and administer the throwin.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Stop the clock and administer the throwin.

After the 5 second violation or on the slap?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

After the 5 second violation or on the slap?

The slap.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You have the option of a T (preventing the ball from being made live) by rule, but I'd probably avoid that as well.

That's the nuclear option. The player would have to throw the ball into the stands or way down the court to earn this, I think.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

That's the nuclear option. The player would have to throw the ball into the stands or way down the court to earn this, I think.

Agreed.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You have the option of a T (preventing the ball from being made live) by rule

Disagree. When he slapped the ball, it showed the ball was at his disposal, and therefore the ball became live at that point. He did not prevent it from becoming live, so there are no grounds for a T. You start your 5 count then stop the clock at the count of five and give the ball to the other team to inbound.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Disagree. When he slapped the ball, it showed the ball was at his disposal, and therefore the ball became live at that point. He did not prevent it from becoming live, so there are no grounds for a T. You start your 5 count then stop the clock at the count of five and give the ball to the other team to inbound.

It's our judgment when the ball is at the disposal of the thrower. He slaps it into the corner, I'm not calling the T; I'll probably just start counting (but I might stop the clock and administer the endline throwin). He bats it into the upper row of bleachers at half court, I might go with the T. The option is there.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

He slaps it into the corner, I'm not calling the T; I'll probably just start counting (but I might stop the clock and administer the endline throwin).

Under what rule?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Under what rule?

The same rule that allows you to stop the clock and administer when it accidentally gets kicked away during normal action.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The same rule that allows you to stop the clock and administer when it accidentally gets kicked away during normal action.

So whenever there's a slapped ball during play you blow the whistle and call a kicked ball?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

So whenever there's a slapped ball during play you blow the whistle and call a kicked ball?

Yeah, Mark, that's a valid way to interpret my position.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The same rule that allows you to stop the clock and administer when it accidentally gets kicked away during normal action.

NFHS rule 5-8-2(c)--"Time-out occurs asnd the clock, if running, shall be stopped when an official stops play because of an unusual delay in geting a dead ball live."

Judgement call.

You're welcome.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Under what rule?

5-8-2c

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's our judgment when the ball is at the disposal of the thrower. He slaps it into the corner, I'm not calling the T; I'll probably just start counting (but I might stop the clock and administer the endline throwin). He bats it into the upper row of bleachers at half court, I might go with the T. The option is there.

While I agree with your distinction of when you would tech him and when you wouldn't, I think Mark's point is valid as well...if in the first example you are saying that upon the slapping the ball is at the throwers disposal (which I agree with) and you are starting the count, how can the same action (slap) be considered delaying making the ball live just b/c the slap sends the ball into the stands? In reality you are teching him for unsporting conduct in your second example aren't you?

[Adam]

If he slaps the ball while still in bounds, you wouldn't have started your count yet anyway (at least not quite). The ball isn't live yet.